RATM: End The War Fest

Does "ending the war" mean pulling out troops and leaving Iraq open real estate for the Saudis or Iran? Because that would be a far greater travesty than the disaster we've already created. We shouldn't have been there in the first place, agreed. It's unbelievable what the president has gotten away with. I am all for peace - but withdrawal at this point is not peace in the long run.

Lets use this area to comment on the music, not on the war issues. That being said, it's great that musicians are teaming up with Veterans to get their points across, together.

I heard that RATM was opening for Ted Nugent...

30 years after the riots of the '68 Democratic National Convention (where the MC5 played for 8 hours), Brother Wayne Kramer is coming around full circle to play the D.N.C. again. Wish I could make it. Bring on the REVOLUTION!

"leaving Iraq open real estate for the Saudis"??? seriously Cola21? some big assumptions?

i'm all for getting our boys home, including good friends who are stuck over there fighting for a whole mess of BS

Sorry about that, 40 years later. Damn that's a long time.

Good for RATM. Why shouldnt music and politics mix?

I like politics as music if it's with lyrics or songs, but i don't like musicians and politics. If you're on the stage, play music.

This is going to get ugly, isn't it?

Bring protest music back IMO. Should art only celebrate the good things in life?

Props to RATM. Also related but not yet mentioned on jambase, on Sept. 2 in St. Paul, Minnesota, Wookiefoot and Micheal Franti & Spearhead will be staging a free show/peace demonstration during the Republican National Convention. They started the grassroots organization at 10klf for the event (not mentioned in the meager 10,000 lakes fest review). SPREAD THE WORD!!!

Amen jomahone, amen. This sounds awesome and I'm glad musicians are getting more vocal about politics.

Cola...you sound like John McCain. You like the blow?

Looking forward to the RATM show for the RNC here in St. Paul.

Hopefully the Bush trash talking is kept to a min. We all know he's an idiot - shut up & play. Their music does speak for itself after all.

Some of those that burn crosses are the same that sing "Cat Scratch Fever."

Or was it "Smoke on the Water?"

I agree totally Cola21. I said it from the beginning that going into Iraq was not our problem and would not be a good idea. With that being said the worst thing we can do would be to pull out all our troops and leave Iraq open to the spread of fanatacism.

yeah lets get out..let those filthy uncivilized savages take care of themselves

It's cool the way they are awarding tickets on a lottery and only the ticket holder can pick them up with an ID. This will keep the scalpers away from selling tickets they won online for outrageous prices

RATM should make a new album. 8 years of G.W. Bush should be enough inspiration for a double disc.

Russia is fucking with Georgia in an attempt to get the US to pull out of Iraq, so, as soon as we leave, they will then move in and finish what we started. Sad to say, but that's not a long-shot if Obama gets elected(since he's not a "war" guy, and wants us out of Iraq), but if McCain gets in there, I'm sure we'll start world war III with Russia within the first 2 hours of his first day on the job, while still occupying Iraq. just a thought.

^you are being naive if you think that Obama is going to pull us out of iraq when he gets elected....

"this is going to get ugly isn't it?" Uglier than a drunken fat sorority chick on a hungover Sunday morning glued to your crotch. The only time I have ever been scared at a show was seeing what happens when RATM hits the stage. You see a crowd literally turn into one gigantic organsim with one objective on it's collective mind: Seek & Destroy. I only have 4 words: LOTS OF BODY BAGS

Oh yes ... You will see tickets immediately go on sale on Ebay for this after the winners are announced.

Iraq is a mess. Music and politics can and do mix well. RATM is doing their best to make a point. I don't believe for a minute that they think we should just pull out in a day (which is physically impossible), but it's time to draw down our numbers and cut our losses in a HUGE mistake. Sometimes I wish I lived in Denver just for the music alone. Peace bitches.

yeah, let's get out of iraq because they can defend themselves now....i mean if switzerland, or ireland, attack them they've got it covered....and there is no way any dem is going to pull out of iraq...they'd be saddling themselves with a vietnam like aftermath, and they aren't going to do that voluntarily to their own admin.......unfortunately, we are going to have to have troops there until they can defend themselves against the likes of iran....you'd be more likely to get a pullout under a mccain admin as the dem congress could grow a pair and cut off funding at any time and lay the loss of life that ensues at his feet....but they won't do that to their own admin for sure

I guess this is what happens when you talk about politics on the first date. All i can say is that i think it's awesome they're doing this, especially with Wayne Kramer from the MC5. I just hope and know that it doesn't go down like the Chicago Democratic Covention in 68' when MC5s played then...people got their shit kicked in! After seeing Rage at Lolla, I'm sure this show will get crazy! So those of you who are lucky to be going, enjoy and protect yourself...

Rage closed vegoose last year after umphreys and moe...and i have to say that the energy at their show was unbelievable. It was electric. Rage rocked my face off

oh word? i will be posting pictures and videos of the police brutality that will undoubtedly go down in denver that weekend... $50 million dollars towards weapons for the convention alone is quite a chunk of change. speaking of 'change,' obama will bring none. he is quickly falling in line with the bush agenda.

hopefully i can make this show. lord knows i will try my damndest!

i saw RATM in Worcester,Mass in like 99' there was 200 police officers outside the show protesting the Mumia Abdul Jamal and that RATM was supporting a cop killer......somthing like 34 people were arrested outside the Worcester Centrum that night.

*props to Rage - whether you like em or not they got heart

You are all naive if you think true change will ever occur. If it didn't happen in '68, it sure as s**t ain't gonna happen now. Neither candidate will campaign for TRUE change. They will only campaign for those causes deemed appropriate by their wallets.

p.s. Take a look at Korea, Japan, and Germany. We have had troops in all three nations for over 60 years, and they aren't coming home anytime soon. Why is it so hard to foresee American troops in Iraq for the next hundred years?

guys all bring up that the US should not be involved in the war; how come no one ever brings up our involvement with Israel? come on now folks, we've lost several lives over there, not to mention BILLIONS of dollars just thrown at them. Not one person ever mentions that, but they are adamantly against any other conflict.

enough politics....rage will fu*king tear it up and I will enjoy every second.

Fuck yeah Rage!! Anyone else been bumpin One Day As a Lion?? Imagine if Jon Theodore replaced Brad Wilk, then they busted out some Lion tracks! I guess im just a dreamer. On another note, anyone else notice the most pessimistic views on our current situation that drift towards conservatism and McSame are held by Phish fans? whats up with that? Does weekapaug groove have a hidden meaning or something?

then again, change probably scares the phish heads because a change in their favorite bands aganeda led to the Shine album and Jack Johnson sit ins

Some of those that sing about "some of those that burn crosses," are millionaires, not street protesters.

Good for them for doing what they want, but hopefully it won't bring about violence in Denver.

I know Zack is formally supporting Obama, so this show is probably going to be non-violent (i hope). If RATM was playing the creepublican national convention it would be a different story. Keep it peaceful all you lucky heads who are able to attend!

IF RATM was playing the republican convention?

they are. the week after.

this is definitely going to get ugly. people will destroy that shit-hole of a venue. it'll be an excuse for young kids to break shit. i love rage, live in colorado, and dont think i even want to be near this.

p.s - i dont think rage should make a new alvbum after hearing the new tune at Lolla. stick to the hits and kick 'em in the teeth.

COME TO DENVER/MINNEAPOLIS and rage. Yo Conjugal dont lump Phishheads into any categories. Mike is doing a free show tonight I think with Bernie Sanders who's trying to get the drug laws changed in this country. I was listening to Rage before Phish. There will be NO SCALPED tix. Look at the site, you have to be there with your guest pick the tickets up in a secure area and go directly in the venue, from 9:30 a.m till 11:00. If anyone really wants tickets volunteer with Tentstate, I'm sure you'd find yourself inside. I'd say theres more of a chance for trouble in St. Paul. Lots of blockades and direct actions are taking place, come join the party.

I can't believe I am going to be out of Colorado that week!!!! I NEED TO SEE RAGE!!!

I agree with Cola21 at the top there... Thats what the US is notorious for: Entering countries when we probably shouldn't have, and then leaving the place in shreds once were done with it. I actually just saw that movie Charlie Wilson's War which talks about exactly that. Like Cola21 said, I'm all for peace but pulling out right now would not be the best move.

Lead singer Zack de la Rocha, in a recent interview with the Los Angeles Times, implied there would be conflict at the Minneapolis show.

"I think we both know what we expect," he told the interviewer. "You might wanna dip that bandanna in some vinegar."

What better time than now...

did anyone get a ticket to the Denver show?