YMSB To Play Obama's Party

sick. yonder is the shit

That's too bad! I really wish good bands wouldn't be pulled into politics. I'm not a republican, I just think that music and politics should be kept seperate. But YMSB is still kickass!

remember when music was associated with politics??? Remember when revolution actually was a possibility? Remember the sixties when music helped facilitate change and equality. Remember when music motivated the youth?...

Yeah Shmo-kinn, who wants that! We should all be apolitical.

LEGALIZE!!!!!

Music and politics should be kept seperate? Music is probably the most powerful political tool there is. Think about Dylan and his "fingerpoint" songs.

THIS IS BIG NEWS FOR YONDER. I dig their tunes a lot. I am happy for them.

These guys are the shiznitt

F yeah!

I'll re-phrase that for you shmo-kinn, I really wish good bands would not be pulled into republican or democrat politics. Stay independent and dont let either evil party represent you and don't represent them/

Just one more reason to love these guys. Maybe the Conservatives will get that nazi from Pinback (remember that interview/feature??) to play some Ted Nugent covers.

I'd love it if they bust out "2 hits and the joint turned brown" in front of all those people, that would just make my day

long live yonder

Yeah shmo-kinn all bands should always play what the crowd wants and never do what they want to do. God forbid they use their freedoms as American citizens they are our puppets. Anyway go Yonder although I agree 100% with ndant703 fuck 2 party politics. Regardless of who gets elected in the end it is still gonna be the same BS.

I just lost some respect for YMSB. They should be playing at the Nader rally....Republicans and Democrats both suck. There's no way Obama is going to legalize it....that would only come from a 3rd party candidate.

YONDER will probaly have Obama's play piano for them.

Awesome! Yonder and Obama! I agree with schmo-kinn / ndant703 about about politics, music, and picking a party. These however are my 2 choices in both. Congrats on the plug Yonder!

they are going to embarrass Colorado on a national stage!

its funny to read these things and listen to people say vote nader or some independent whose gonna legalize it. christ people get off the HIGH horse and realize that its gonna take many years and maybe never for it to happen. i personally believe it should be legal. if your republican than that sucks for you but if your not dont vote for some nobody running as independent because he wont win and that will just increase the chance of another Dubya as president. who gives a fuck if barack legalizes or not why dont you look at how he can help real issues in this country like education, poverty, minorities and with joe biden foreign affairs and bring home the troops.

Unfortunatly, Music is one of the ONLY ways to get some of the population to not only get out and vote, but to WANT to understand the issues facing us all. It's too easy to be an ostrich with your head in the sand. I've been into Obama since the beginning (and I know he's not the be-all, end-all to politicians, but it's a good start, you've gotta admit) and am proud to be an Obama supporter. At the VERY least, nobody need more of the same old BUSHit! The movement to energize and inform a whole new generation of voters must be supported and music is a fantastic way to get a message across and has been since the 60's. peace

please play legalize for us...or 40 mtd or holding..or or or or hahah the list is miles long...just do the damn thing

If music and politics were not CSN would have never been able to help end the War in Vietnam.....Music has and will always be mixed with politics and it is the moral duty of artists to once in a while explain what is wrong with society to the masses.

Please everybody, look into what's going on. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are speaking for us. I would've thought a community like Jambase would be more informed on these things.

"He was also the last democratic candidate to pledge an end to federal medical marijuana raids, and not because they're heartless and evil, but because they're 'not a good use of resources.'" - http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2007/aug/28/obama_what_new_orleans_needs_is_

Can't forget about his running mate, Joe Biden: http://www.kxmb.com/News/Nation/267949.asp

Plus, Biden's in the pocket of the MPAA and the RIAA. I know how much we love those groups: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10024163-38.html

Wake up, people! This is incredibly disappointing to hear that Yonder is playing for the DNC. Music and politics mixing is not necessarily a bad thing, but it turns ugly when so many bands and so many people blindly support worthless candidates and parties.

good stuff leclairm21. You guys should actually read those articles before giving thumbs down.

I've never known Yonder to be political, so this should be interesting... I'm assuming there is quite a big pay-off. I really hate it when musicians get too involved in politics. They are musicians, not microphones. I do realize much of the music in the '60's was politically charged, but cmon, shit had to be said back then. Currently things are not that bad (despite what the media might advocate). And another thing, don't financially support politicians! They will just take more money from you once they are elected (much like what Obama will do).

and also the people that come on here and post that there main issue with America is legalizing pot you guys are pathetic. Why dont you worry about something that matters instead of your selfish thoughts of trying to get high without the risk of going to jail. I think it should be legal to but its not going to happen and its especially not going to happen with Obama and Biden. Learn your facts

Here's todays live feed of the DNC:

http://gallery1.demconvention.com/

Now lets just hope they'll show yonder tear it up!

Yonder should be on right at 3:00 if we get lucky

I like where this is going especially leclarims comments additionally I hate it when people say voting for 3rd party is just helping the worse of the two evils and that you should vote democrat because they are the lesser or the two evils. Doesn't that statement in its' self tell you something? Lesser of two evil? Obviously there is something seriously wrong with this current system of political party's people. Oh yeah well I voted for the guy that wasn't as evil as the other guy so that make me okay. Get a clue folks.

that is awesome yonder. I hope somehow we will be able to watch it on TV. I have been glued to the TV for the DNC this past week. I have really enjoyed the week and all the speakers.

Sorry but politics piss me off. I hope everyone realizes that the Party Conventions are costing upwards of 10 million dollars to put on. This is because there is a clause that allows corporations to donate unlimited amounts to the convention (vs. some limits on how much they can donate to an actual campaign) even though this convention is basically the spectacle of the entire campaign. Who knows how many perks these private businesses and corporations receive in return from the candidates in the form of not only air time during the convention but in the sense of once a politician is elected they are then on the you pat my back so I'll pat yours when coming up with new policies and regulations. Even worse if you haven't figured it out and Yonder is not helping this trend. These conventions are like a freaking sporting even such as the Super Bowl this spectacle we call politics is becoming more and more of a frenzy based on hype and big name appearances rather than actually focusing on what is going to be done by the politician once they are elected. Anyone can get a bunch of guest speakers to hype up someone and kiss their ass for a week but why should we care. Don't you all really want to know what they have done in the past and what they will do in the future? Just look at all the wonderful things Biden has done regarding drug policy etc. It's time that we all leave this world of 3 ring political circus and get back to what matters and why democracy was thought of by this country in the first place. So that money and power (one in the same in this current political state) did not do all the talking.

"Currently things are not that bad (despite what the media might advocate)"? REALLY? That is like saying that your car has no problems except for that annoying check engine light that just will not go out. Maybe your issues are being handled smoothly. However, many are not.

Now, I know that listing the current occupant's failures is way too easy, but he got us here and the next president has a lot of work to do. Thankfully there are term limits or we would have another election based on fear of middle easterners, fear of eternal damnation for permitting abortion, and fear of homosexuals who want to be happy together.

America deserves better. We have the largest budget deficit in history (coming from a surplus that was pissed away to buy votes--vote for W and you get a check from the IRS--remember that?). The republican method of allowing business freedom has led us to the current mortgage crisis and now the taxpayers must bail the lenders out. We have no respect internationally. We are stuck in violent conflicts on the other side of the world with no exit strategies. Our environmental policy is dictated by Exxon. I could go on and on.

Now, I know that many will come out and say that we need oil and that we are fighting terrorism.... Yes, those problems exist, but we could solve these problems with a bit of intelligence.

A third party candidate will not win. He will merely Nader...I mean steal the votes from a dynamic individual like Al Gore.

Our country has bigger problems than the legalization of pot and we are in desperate need of a true leader to make the hard decisions well.

Also, neither one of the candidates will be able to legalize pot. Most criminal laws are reserved to the states. However, one candidate sees the need for change and if federal legislation comes through that would end the federal raids on medical marijuana that has been approved by the voters of certain states, I think that Obama might be the best hope not to veto the legislation.

Hey Lord-K. -> Great comments. We live under the control of big government and big business, intertwined. There are some politicians fighting against it. (Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, to name a few.) I would recommend to you these sites: Mises.org, Campaignforliberty.com

Above all everyone = read, read, read. Research our country - it's history, the people who hold/held power, current affairs. Our public education doesn't teach us things that are very easy to discover with the Internet.

And for anyone who thinks of replying with a negative comment on Ron Paul = Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2007. Look it up.

"The republican method of allowing business freedom has led us to the current mortgage crisis and now the taxpayers must bail the lenders out."

Sorry jazzfester, that's incorrect. We don't have business freedom in our country; we have corporate fascism, and both parties are all for it. We taxpayers should not have to bail the lenders out. If big banks were not controlling the government, and if there was true economic freedom in our country, those big lenders (Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae) would drop dead from giving out so much easy credit. Then new, better, legitimate lenders would rise up. If companies and ill-informed borrowers were held responsible for their actions, the taxpayer would not have to bail them out. I'm ranting a bit, and definitely getting off the topic of Yonder playing the DNC, but please people, look in to things. If we were all better informed, we'd all be better off.

Long Live Yonder Indeed

represent the freaker vote over there and WAVE THAT FLAG

Cant wait to see you at the canopy oct 23

Take one introductory economics class at a collegiate level and you will understand how moronic the Democratic position is on the economy.

AWESOME! I haven't decided on who I'd like to vote for this year, but getting YMSB to play will have me and a lot of others watching carefully. Congrats to YONDER (i hope ya'll do some face meltin' pickin today), thanks to the democratic party for picking such a great band to play, and please get out and VOTE.

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Obama and Mccain represent the same corporations. They only differ on small points. Until we kick both parties out, or make them responsible for there actions, the people will continue to lose. To the dumbass that said for people to not vote 3rd party and that is the reason we have Dubya in the white house, most of those people would not have voted democrat anyway. And maybe if there was a difference between Dem and Rep, they wouldnt vote 3rd party. I support a Paul/Kucinich ticket in 08. I am not voting for either of these knuckleheads(obama/mccain).

Wow. Love or hate the DNC, this has to be a SUPER exciting gig. Good luck YMSB!

Republicans are just plain assholes! They are intolerent. FUCK ANYONE WHO DOESn'T VOTE, People DIED for this right, and many are still dying for their country's democracy. And with Barack in Office he will have a new approach on the war on drugs for users, not pushers! IF he would just let people grow a few pot plants in the privacy of their own home, and still have in illegal to posess in your car unless it's in the trunk, or x feet from the driver. This could be done. And I want harsher laws on things like coke, and heroin, shit that destroy peoples' lives and communities.

Music and politics are strange bedfellows indeed...but we should remember that professional musicians are people too and have a right to align or support a cause just like the rest of us do. I think that we often disregard the fact that celebrities are not special interest groups have really have nothing to gain from supporting their candidate of choice. I don't see anything wrong with YMSB jumping on the opportunity to entertain at a political event. As for me, I'll make up my own mind on the candidates after I see the debates.

SCIFreak are you fucking serious. You have just topped the list in all time dumbass jambase comments. Im sure that you are way to fucking stupid to read up on anything about any of the candidates and just say that about Obama cuz you think that hes a cool dude, right. Why dont you scroll up a little and read those article links on Biden and how he was the one who started the bill to make paraphenilia illegal. You are so fucking stupid in every way that it makes me sick to know that there are people in this country that are allowed to vote who have the same thoughts and lack of intelligence. Fucking read a book or look up some things on the internet before showing the jambase community how ignorant that you are. Your comments are so ridiculus.

Too bad they're playing for the one candidate worse than McCain.

Freshmen economics huh acomma not saying your wrong but how has a republican in office the last 8 years improved the economy? One in the same my friend.

maybe they are playing simply because its in colorado. playing for 70,000 people should be fun. great way to get the music out. fact is, yonder wont be swaying votes or signing bills into law. who cares if they warm up the crowd.

leclairm21,

Would you suggest that we let all of the "ill-informed borrowers" lose their homes because they were granted credit by the scumbag lenders? Have you ever read every word of a mortgage agreement? Do you understand all of those words like "ne varietur"? I suppose that your suggestion would then please Darwin, but I think that we need to be a little kinder to the weak.

I agree, we should not have to bail the lenders out, but we do need to help the borrowers. Maybe some more regulation would have prevented this mess.

We can learn from this. Most people are lying, cheating sacks of shit unless someone else is watching.

Why do you always take 2 Baptists fishing? Because if you take just 1, he will drink all of your beer.

Regardless, I loved the story and I am going to watch Yonder.

Watch them live right now!

http://gallery1.demconvention.com/

Way to go YMSB.

Oh, and by the way, Music used to stand for something.

welting is right, Bob Dylan, Neil Young, etc., had the balls to stand up for something.

Guess what, a little slap in the face might wake some of you sheep up.

Look what not taking a stand has gotten us the last 8 years?

Nobody wants to stand up for anything anymore because they are scared of hurting someones feelings.

That, and they don't have anything to say anyway.

What the hell to bands like the Disco Biscuts have to say about anything anyway?

YMSB at least is standing up for SOMETHING, thisis to be applauded.

I think it would be fair to let most lose their homes, yes. Why should I have to pay for someone else's home because they weren't smart enough to read and understand EVERY word in their mortgage agreement? I haven't read one - I haven't applied for one, so I haven't had to take on that responsibility yet. More of the American attitude - "well, the government will take care of it".

Some more regulation? You think we need the gov't to get more involved than they already are? Why, so they can pass legislation to offer more private corporations blank checks (as they are doing in this horrible "bail-out" scheme). I don't think we should forget about the weak in our country, but losing 20% of my paycheck every two weeks to pay (in part) for someone trying to buy a $200k house on a $30/yr salary doesn't seem very justified to me. If our government would quit offering big lenders so much artificial credit they would in turn not be able to offer loans with such shady business practices. Government regulation is not the answer. It is RARELY ever the answer.

jazzfester.......have you looked into WHY those "scumbag lenders" HAD to start lending to people that couln't necessarily afford to pay it back?.....it may not have been their CHOICE to lend money to people that couldn't pay it back, congress may have had something to do with it....all in the name of equality of course

God you guys are crazy, this is badass for YMSB regardless of what any of u say, and hey, QUIT ARGUING ABOUT FUCKING POLITICS!

you guys are dumb. who cares about the politics and all that bullshit. music evokes emotion which can cause people to do things or change. but yeah this is a huge break for yonder. im stoked to see it.

just saw it, they kicked ass, good for them...and i'm sorry but if you don't vote for obama after the last 8 years you are uninformed and sleep walking. if i have another friend/loved one layed off/lose their house i'm gonna start robbing banks. i voted for nader last two times and would do it over again, but i can roll w/ barack.

I wonder if they are extolling the virtues of Zach Gill's keyboard playing or Jeff Tweedy's ever evolving songwriting on poliical blogs right now.

F Obama

F McCain

CLAYPOOL IN 08

SndTribefreak - Ok man, have fun being part of the problem. You think you're hot shit because you don't like our government, you obviously don't like any of the candidate, and If you think not voting is gonna do a whole lot of goods then you are an idiot. You think you're going to get anywhere with this fucking attitude. The only way goverment change is by VOTING not sitting on your ass bitchin when you don't even have the right to bitch in the first place. Secondly Democrats are the only ones who will ever cut people breaks when it comes to Marijuana laws, I didn't know that about Biden though, is that going to influence my vote? Absolutely not! Republicans screws every type of people over exept the wealthy Americans.

I was watching Wolf Blitzer on CNN and thought I heard Yonder in the background behind him, but I didn't really believe it. Then he actually announced who was playing and said "Let's listen in..." and CNN showed an entire song. Pretty wild, great job boys!

Actually SciFreak the problem is people who vote democrat becasue they say they are better than republicans. They are in fact bascially the same political party with a few MINOR differences. I will vote but it will be 3rd party go ahead tell me I'll waste my vote (such a cliche phrase) it has to begin somewhere strength in number wny not here why not now? Because this election is so important? Just like the last 2 when republicans won both times becasue of progressive voters like me? Please such a joke blaming someone who is thinking for themselves and actually trying to improve a system rather than falling in line with the rest of the sheep; 1+1=2 Republican or Democrat=Lose......Get educated that is all scifreak is saying don't just vote based on what the republican or what the democrat in office prior to the current election have done that makes absolutely no sense.

i'm voting for Phil Lesh again. to bad he never wins. at least he won my vote. Actually Nadar 2008 is the way to go.

10 years and going strong. WAY TO GO YONDER, so proud to be a fan of this band!!!! they deserve everything they've accomplished!

anyone know where i can see the video?

Seriously, I think it's insane to say that you lost respect for yonder mountain because they are playing at the dnc, and a democrat won't legalize pot, or that biden is the one who started the bill to make paraphernalia illegal. Aren't there some more important issues at hand to consider besides these? Like the economy...

"I like the puppet on the left.

Well I like the puppet on the right.

Holy shit! The same guy is using the puppets! They're fucking lying to us! Holy shit!" Bill Hicks R.I.P.

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooyonder!

Here's what pisses me off. All of you people who are all honked off that none of these candidates will legalize marajuana or RIAA - you're just as bad as the people who vote solely based on Pro-Life. Except you're worse because your issues aren't even a matter of life or death. Grow up and understand that the fate of our nation and the fate of the world does not lie in spleefs. It's a joke to see people so concerned about that. JFK and RFK weren't out to legalize a drug or cater to petty little issues. They were out to change the way our nation functioned and Bobby was out to change the way we saw our fellow Americans and fellow human beings. Barack isn't Bobby, but he's pushing for a change. I'm skeptical, but I would love to see Joe Biden and him step up and produce. I hate to be offensive, but take your faces out of your bongs long enough to look at the world clearly and see what is important.

there is alot to respond to here, so I will just pick one.

Hippie jessica, that should not be your only concern, thats not really an important issue. You should be concerned with other things, like if you vote for a third party, it will be a total waste and contribute to the possibility of 4 more years of AXIS OF EVIL republicans.

I know they both SUCK, but the lesser of two evils is obvious.

please don't waste your vote!!!!

I do believe OBAMA cares about people genuinely. Just as Dr King did.

oh.. and.. YAY MUSIC!!!!

comparing the cultural/political climate of today with that of the 60's is a bit ridiculous. Just ask a black person over 50. I'll wager that 'Nam was much more bloody than Iraq today. Shit was tougher back then; people had more incentive to get off their asses and do something. We're too complacent now: bitch bitch and bitch from the couch and not do anything.

this presidential race is nothing but a popularity contest. neither of these candidates are worth shit (their word) to me or you. I wanted to support Obama, but he's become more of a celebrity. Vote independant.

GET FUCKED UP AND GO TO SLEEP!

I think that every time someone says vote for the lesser of two evils both a democrat and a republican get their wings and some oil tycoon and banker get some more cash in their pockets.......democrats and republicans in the end don't really care as long as a democrat or republican get elected and then rinse wash and repeat. You all must realize that Obama is only one man and the majority of change that we all want to see not only comes from the president but 10 fold more from Congress. Bi-partisim politics continues to mean bye bye to more of your freedoms.

Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN

0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples)

McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA

28% on profit from ALL home sales

How does this affect you?

If you sell your home and make a profit you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement

community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN 15% (no change)

OBAMA 39.6%

How will this affect you?

If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama become president. The experts predict that 'higher tax

rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN (no changes)

Single making 30K - tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 60K- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA

reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)

Single making 30K - tax $8,400

Single making 50K - tax $14,000

Single making 75K - tax $23,250

Married making 60K - tax $16,800

Married making 75K - tax $21,000

Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Under Obama your taxes will more than double!

How does this affect you? No explanation needed. This is

pretty straight forward.

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax

How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA

* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet

* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)

* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating, gas, water, electricity)

* New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....

* New taxes to pay for Socialized Medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

I hope all of you Obama supporters can afford this.

damn lets see how popular bluegrass is when were run by a monkey

Legalizing it isn't the only issue I have...there are many more. But unlike half the people on here I don't feel the need to list everything I think is wrong with this country. The list would be too damn long. It just had to do with Yonder, like this article. Keep on Goin-->Legalize it, two hits and the joint turned brown. It's not like Yonder has a song about recycling and alternative energy.

I think Yonder made a good choice is playing this event. Who really thinks people will ever take Ralph nader seriously these days besides us? Nobody. Democrats are the countries best chance for change and most realistic chance. Sure maybe they dont tell you the whole truth but at least they want to see a chage. Maybe Yonder sees that this is there best chance to support change in the country. Of course, Obama is an unexpereinced politician, but so wasnt Bush. Long live the American dream. Long live the Yonder boys! See yall in Boston!

I don't know where you people get your facts. probably off anti Obama websites. Your taxes will ONLY raise if you are making more than $250,000 a year. If any of you so called hippies are planning on making that much money...BIG FUCKING DEAL!. You'll be able to afford it...IF and WHEN you make that much. Why do the rich need tax cuts? They should be floating the boat for the unfortunate.Money is a disease people. Once you get rich you most likley become an ASSHOLE. trust me, I've met a few in my time. Money makes you think you are better than everyone else. Those rich fucks should be bailing us out, but just sit back and laugh as the Bush tax cuts help them, but fuck us. Rich folks think they belong to an exclusive club. and they DON'T want anyone else joining that club as it will make it less exclusive. remember, if everyone had a shatload of money, nobody would be rich. Don't be tricked by the McCain supporters on this debate. They're just closet racists who are terrified of a black man. Shame on you. I thought that most deadheads ( and yes, I do believe you should be a Deadhead if you if you think you are a fan of this website, they are the ones who started it all) were open minded.

to the people who think you should vote independant. shame on you as well. Yes, independant values are the best. But you have to live in reality. if you vote for a Paul or a Nader in these times of a country filled with sheep, you will only enforce the wrong guy getting into office. By the way, thanks for all your help in the last election. we all know how that turned out. seriously, thanks a whole fuckin' lot. Really though, I understand where you are coming from. I love Dennis Kucinich, but if he was running on the independat ticket, I still wouldn't vote for him. It would be a wasted vote, as any are for independants at this time in the country. You have to change this country one step at a time and if voting for the lesser of two evils is the way, that's what you have to do ( and I must state here, I do not consider Barack Obama to be evil at all, and I think the members of the Grateful Dead would agree). every politician has to play the game somewhat. A maverick would just be voted out next term and get nothing done. I know it sucks but that's just the way it is.

We have to look at the big picture here. What's best for the country? Four more years of McBush? I don't think so, let's give a new guy a chance. c'mon people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love somebody right now!

for all of you to hate on Yonder, the four remaining members of the Dead just announced they will play a fundraiser for Obama in October,...with Warren haynes. Possible summer tour in 2009 too. Holy fucking shit I need a beer and some Dick's Picks!

fut -

I'm up in the air on this election (leaning left) but where do come up with the idea that "rich people should be bailing you out"?? Are you some kind of lazy, self-entitled ass who thinks that you should be given something for no effort????? Rich people are rich because they either inherited it or worked hard to get it. And if they inherited it, then someone in their family worked hard to get that way.

The rich don't owe you squat. Stop being a lazy, no-load running around with your hand out. Start working for it and stop whining about it. Posts like yours shed light on the undercurrent of what is going wrong in this country. Too many lazy bastards out there who want someone else to do the work and give you their reward. Piss off - the rich don't owe you, me or anyone but themselves and their families a single dime of what THEY worked for.

Very cool for YMSB - White House Blues anyone?

See? Now that's what I'm talking about. Would the forefathers of our scene lead us astray? Seriously, you've got to ask yourselves that question. If you can rebut this then you don't belong here. go to another forum with your crap

sndtribe -

Nice work on the data. Looks like we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. McCain's VP pick just threw a ginormous wrinkle in this whole affair. He may have just wrapped this thing up because of the pissed off female Hillary supporters in Ohio.

I'm not a big fan of the republican Old Guard, but selecting Sarah Palin was a freakin' brilliant move.

fut -

The so called "forefathers of our scene" went out and did it on their own. They were visionaries - not a bunch of unjustifiably self-entitled, whiners. They would be shocked at what "our scene" has become.

good for YMSB getting national attention. This election will be close for sure and Obama is a worthy canidate. However I live in illinois and he hasn't done a dam thing to stop corruption and improve the average mans life. illinois poloitics are more corrupt now than ever before. Our last governor is in prison right now. I have a hard time believing Obama can get it done on the national level cosidering he hasn't done shit for Illinois. if he wins great but it's all hype....a stated before b/c most people won't vote we keep getting the same crap year after year

I'm happy for YMSB. I might not agree with their politics, but they are some awesome musicians.

Let's try and stay positive folks. WE GOTTA DO THIS TOGETHER...THAT IS CERTAIN!

You really think conservatives are going to vote for Palin:

And Palin has not always seen eye to eye with McCain. Her strong support for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge will contrast with McCain's muted opposition, and though she has no foreign policy experience, she has criticized the lack of a long-term plan for Iraq. She also surprised her state's conservatives by vetoing a bill that would have denied state benefits to same-sex couples.

Her profile as a good government crusader may not be such an easy sell, either. She was endorsed in an ad by Senator Ted Stevens, who is now under indictment, and she faces an investigation into the firing of her public safety commissioner; there have been allegations that she sacked him because he refused to fire a state trooper who's involved in a custody battle with her sister.

gmoo -

I've known Ben for 6 years - this is the first time I can remember Yonder ever throwing their political cards out on the table. Sure, you could have guessed they'd be a little left of center, but they always put their music first and never ever got preachy with their political beliefs.

Hell, they sounded a thousand times better than Shrew Crow.

Lord-K -

You bring up some good points - but don't forget that as Governor (albeit Alaska), Palin is the only one on either ticket with Executive level leadership experience.

Yeah for less than years in the least populated state in the country

...and there goes McCains argument about lack of experience. I know student body presidents in college, with more "Executive experience" then Palin.

Lord-K -

Sure, but 2 years is more than none. And the file footage of her sighting down a Mk 12 sniper rifle is pretty cool. And what's not to like about someone nicknamed "Barracuda"?

Lord-K - I have to go vomit now, the hyperbole spewing from the idiot dude announcer on Fox News is like visual ipecac.

There is a war going on with people getting their heads blown off and there are people on here bitching about marijuana rights, do what I do, smoke at home, don't sell and don't get pulled over. It's that simple. I would have to go out on a limb and say a womans right to abortion may even be more of an important issue than pot rights.

pharmer you think rich folks should be bailing you out???? Are you insane??? What it sounds like your saying is that the people that study and work hard and become sucessfull should just give handounts to people that sit around and are lazy dont try to make any thing of themselves. You my friend is whats wrong with America, everybody just wants things given to them and dont want to work for it. Futhepharmer, you're a disgrace to your country.

Rick83 you got that straight. Our scene has become so poluted. People think our scene is about a particle brand of music and that all. There is no cultural ettiquette anymore. we used to take care of each other regardless of what that person was about. Jerry would be apalled at how divisive and unkind our "scene" has become.

and sorry bout the rich bailing out comment, I was unclear. I meant to say that with the oil companies holding this country hostage latey. It would be refreshing to see the truly rich IE: billionares of this country make a loan to the citizens of this country less fortunate than themselves. Then if/when the economy straightend itself out at some point, they could get payed back. if not, well they could afford it and it would be an incredibly generous gift to their country. sorry to offend. I work very hard and pay ALL of my bills thank you very much.peace

sndtribe - go easy on fut - he clarified himself. We aren't going to get anywhere with this country if all we do is bitch at and insult each other.

Fut - No problem my friend, no offense taken (okay, maybe a little), I figured you got stuck in a bit of a rant and didn't mean it quite as literally as you came across. I do disagree with you a little bit though - I don't think the "rich" owe anyone anything. If they choose to give money away, that's their perogative. I believe they are going to have to answer someday for what they did with their money, but we certainly don't need another government agency dictating to who and how much.

People in this country owe it to themselves to put in the work and effort to change their lives if they want a change. Too many people today wake up and bitch about their condition and situation, but they don't make any changes in their lives to facilitate any change. You can't wake up and do the same thing every day and expect things to change.

Be Well.

Cola21 - This comment section stems from an article on a jam band website, talking about a bluegrass band. Therefore the discussion leaned towards marijuana laws. It's not just people wanting to "stick their face in a bong", it's the fact that our civil liberties are diminishing at a very alarming rate, and the people who are supposedly fighting for those rights (Democrats) have done nothing to stop it. Their presidential candidate has even done his part to vote for and accelerate the process (Patriot Act, FISA bill, etc.).

futhefarmer - Your claims are ludicrous. It doesn't matter if a person makes $25k a year or $250k a year; the government has no right to plunder that person and give his or her money to anyone else for reasons that are deamed "good for society". Volunteering, charitable donations and care of the weak and meager should be left up to individuals and not be a responsibilty of the government. A modern day Robin Hood would be put in prison for stealing - person from person. Why should it be fine when the government does it? Please research Frédéric Bastiat for an incredible explaination why this is wrong.

phanatic2 - Do what you do, huh. Smoke at home, don't sell, don't get pulled over. Someone sells you the pot, right? They'd probably have a tough time with your argument. Same with the medical patients buying it from a legal dispensary and smoking in the privacy of their own homes. DEA agents prosecuting them, along with the people they get their pot from, seems a bit wrong, no?

Back to the topic at hand:

To any "deadhead" or supposedly open-minded person that supports Obama because the Dead, or Yonder, or Wilco, or some other band suggested it = step out of the meat-grinder line and do a little research on your own. Learn how the Federal Reserve was created. Find out what Thomas Jefferson had to say about foreign intervention. Discover how George Washington felt about a strong central government. Look into Woodrow Wilson's actions against Charles Lindburgh, Sr., a brave anti-war figher who wrote 'Why Is Your Country at War?'.

We're all fans of the best music on Earth and are called "freaks" by people who don't understand what it's like to experience that music with thousands of other beautiful people.

We all want to do our own thing, make our own way in this world, not be controlled or invaded by people that are more privileged or powerful than us (either with $ or government), right?

So why do we continue to support the same collectivist assholes in both parties?

My own personal opinion is that all of you people arguing about politics on Jambase are fucking idiots.

Rick83-before it is said and done fox news is going to make Palin look like Mother Thersea in a money grubbing oil digging gun toting kinda way ;)

Harry maybe you should go read the STS9 article that was posted a week or two ago since they appear to be one of your favs: http://beta.jambase.com/Articles/14708/STS9-Shock-and-Awe

looks like Harry S Kreck had the correct answer.....article pulled completely off main list, secondary list, you have to search specifically for this to get to it?????? i need to reread to see what made them pull this.....weird???

sndtribefreak- You sound like a privilege kid to me. I know kids who were born without shit, and some of them made it but most of them ended up in jail or dead. Some people are "Traped" in the system because 1. They are born whith no money 2. They get raised up in SHITTY SCHOOLS, because they can't tax poor people in order to buy the goods while our government spends Trillions on the war and shit we really don't need. 3. Most of them don't even finish High School which is Free so let's not even talk about colleges. Where do these kids end up? Right Back in the same shithole they were born in. And Republicans are just lying about gas and drilling. DO YOU REALLY THINK DRILLING WILL HELP OUR GAS PRICES??? HAHAHAHA You are clueless. The Companies that are going to drill the oil arn't just going to sell their product to Americans! They are gonna supply Japan,China and Australia,even Europe. It's a buisness to make profit, not to help America.

Harry -

Don't be a douchebag. The Constitution says we can argue about anything we want, anywhere we want.

And when I want your opinion, I will tell you what it is.

Ass hat.

maybe one day music will have more effect on politics than over exaggerating media does..

I hate the fact that so many artist HAVE to get political. I go to shows to listen and experience music, the last thing I want to hear is a 10 minute sermon about politics, whether they be liberal or conservative. Its so fucking useless to advocate something that has nothing to do with music. These people are professional ARTIST not POLITICIANS.Everyone has different politics, and thats what makes america great. I am pretty pissed at the dead for getting involved in this anyway. If Jerry was still alive he would not go through with this. The Grateful Dead have allways been about THE MUSIC, garcia tried his best to keep politics and music separate .....and thats the way it should be. Look at what the Dead USED to believe in....

Rolling Stone Magizine: Why did the Dead never write or play any topical or protest songs in the sixties?

Bob Weir(of the Grateful Dead): We had a distaste for using the stage as a pulpit or a podium. If we had politics, that was our business. But the stage was sacred. we were artists, not megaphones. And we were human, given to mistakes