10,000 Lakes | 07.23 - 07.26 | Minnesota

Everyone orchestra was where it was at, amazing set!! You missed phil lesh for heatbox? Anyone who has seen this line up at all this summer can vouch for the glory that is a phil lest set. Amazing weekend as always.

Why would you miss Phil's first set? And why is there no review of Salmon's performance. Did the guy miss that as well?

Jeez - "Phil played for too long!" are you kidding me?

sounded fun....too bad I had to stay back

Bless all these talented musicians, and thank you for what you do!

Naked chicks dancing for the lips? We live in a world now, where its OK to do whatever you want, and I have officially become old fashioned.

Don't get me wrong, I love naked chicks.

Glad that HEATBOX got mentioned, saw him at Harvestfest in MN last year, the dude is sick as hell

here's a good clip from him,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ii3r6vitg

Phil played for too long...WHAT!!!! Get a life...And no review of Tim Reynolds one of the best guitar players on the circuit...nice review...NOT.

Christ you guys....lay off the reviewer. There was music from Noon to 3AM and most of the day has multiple bands playing at the same time. Same goes for late in the evening. The reviewer couldn't possibly have caught EVERY band you wanted to see reviewed and still find time eat, poo and relax.

I thought the reviewer did a fine job, but why no mention of Cornmeal or Secret Chiefs 3? j/k Best shows for me were: Cornmeal, Phil, Mickey, DSO, SECRET CHIEFS 3, Dub Trio, Lips, Everyone Orchestra and The Wood Bro's. All the other music was stellar as well, and this was another great year at 10klf! Please continue with this fest and please continue to push the boundries by getting amazing acts like DUB TRIO and SECRET CHIEFS 3!

It was a great fest... I am surprised that Pert Near Sandstone was given such praise, check them out on myspace and you will see that they are mediocre. Wookiefoot or White Iron Band are way better local bands from Minneapolis. Why the DSO review of a coverband and you miss phil lesh, one of the guys who created that music, that is pretty lame. By the way, slightly stoopid was there too and they kinda were bad, Lesh's set wasn't as good as it was at rothbury, it was slow and kinda boring... but im glad that the wood brothers awesome set was mentioned... 10klf didn't have as great a lineup as last years overall, but having the lips there was worth it and they are probably the biggest band to ever grace the main stage, and it was amazing!!

Weak article. Phil played to long. More hired stripper coverage of Lips...like we need to be reminded he hires a bunch of wild bitches to act a fool to his atrocious instrumentation. Lips isn't the worst, with a circus like performance...but that shit is just old. And Lotus couldn't maintain the heat all night? Did you listen to the performance? Set list was unbelievable:

Jump Off

Shimmer and Out >

Intro to a Cell (Ball of Energy Tease)

Plant Your Root >

Shimmer and Out

Greet the Mind

Wax >

Around the World >

Wax

Juggernaut >

Spiritualize

Looks Like another one of those "outside" looking in reviews. Where the reviewer is very much removed from the vibe or the scene.

I don't know who this reviewer is but he didn't do any justice for the festival. Papa Malis set was great and DSO melted my face straight off. To not even review Tim Reynolds Set, or to not even mention him in this article, is insulting, the man played an unreal set and was by far one of the best guitarists at that festival. To say the lips were the best show of the festival is the most insulting thing heard. I saw them at Summercamp and was pretty suprised to see that they played a nearly similar show as the one in summercamp, I couldn't even stay to see the naked women because I knew everything Coyne was gonna do next, that DIDN'T make for a fun show, and did anyone see Kinetix that night at the saloon stage, By far one of the greatest performances I've ever seen. On top of that Phil played a powerful ass set. A nearly 4 hour show is the way it should be, does the writer not now that the Dead themselves used to play 4+ hour shows all the time in the late 60's early 70's and I may have not been around back then but I'm pretty sure no one was really complaining, I applaud the old man for being able to play such a stellar show for that long. All in all the festival kicked ass but I would have liked a slightly better review.

And By the way EOTO FUCKING ROCKED!!!! Michael Travis and Hann are GENIUSES!!!

I need to see more FLaming Lip shows if naked chicks are going to be there.

Who goes to such a great festival to report on the scene and misses the headliner (Phil) and then throws out such an insult like Phil and Friends played too long. What disrespect to an artist who is largely resposible for this entire Jam scene. Get a clue. Sounds like the author was in it for himself instead of the Jambase readers.

No Cornmeal review? This band just won a Jammy for most up and coming band. That right there calls for a review. This band is the real deal and eventhough I was not there I can vouch that Cornmeal rocked the house. They do every time!!!

should have seen moon taxi...

I think the sickest 2 sets of the whole weekend were on Friday night in the Saloon. Kinetix f*cking kicked so much ass that I couldn't leave the place and then came my favorite set of the weekend, The Histronic. I can't believe they didn't get mentioned. Threw the progressive house beats down hard and didn't stop. Had sit-ins by Josh(bass) from Kinetix, Larry(bass) from Wookiefoot, and Kevin Sinclair(sax) from God Johnson. On top of that, the Histronic bass player, I think his name was Bill, moved onto guitar during the sit-ins and tore it up. Have never seen that from a bass player other than Cactus.

Seriously...do you people actually READ the article? The reviewer said:

"I only got to see a little of that set, but what I saw was good. However, a lot of other patrons had some complaints about Phil's set. I heard a lot of people saying that he just played for too long. He played close to a four hour set. "

While I can't excuse the reviewer missing one of the main acts of the fest, he never said it was too long of a set. He said he HEARD people say that. Chill out people...it's all good.

Flaming Lips...the best set? What a TOOL! You say Phil's four hours was too long? When Phil's gone, you will be bragging, "I saw Phil play for nearly four hours back in '08! It was fucking awesome!" Unreal!

request additional Flaming Lips photos

This was simply "One Man's View of 10KLF"...he went where the energy took him and wrote about his experience. This festival warranted multiple journalists and paparazzo - if Jambase had a larger crew, then the heat should rain down upon the review...

With that said...Give a little love to WHITE IRON BAND & GOD JOHNSON who closed out the festival in true MN Style!!!

I appreciate the writer's positive review of the festival. My only argument is that if this reviewer had had the sense to see Leftover Salmon, who never tour anymore and only do the occasional festival, he would've thought twice about claiming the Lips to be the best show all weekend. And Lotus over Cornmeal? Blech, give me bluegrass over electronica any day!!

Those of you who bash the writer, could you have gone to every show at the festival?!?! I mean we all make the decisions at festivals and the writer has preferences just like you do! i don't understand why people think every time a festival get reviewed that the writer is gonna hype the band that you love the most! i mean seriously. Anyways i like the review! i think the flaming lips should be banned from all festivals! seriously i am open to a lot of shit but how bad is this band really! that they need to put on a acid circus for people to pay attention to them! i mean naked girls on stage sweet but i would rather hear a heady jam i can see that! ANYBODY KNOW WHAT WAS THE ATTENDENCE THIS YEAR?!?!?

I'm not sure if I missed something, but this review seemed like an honest account of his experience watching the music he was drawn to. And it also seemed like he had a great time which is what we're all out for anyways right? Maybe he is not the hugest Phil Lesh fan and is going to hell for it as all you've said but its not that big of a deal that he didn't see his set! Phil plays virtually every festival this summer. Other bands may not.

The bass that Phil is sporting in the pic above might be the coolest bass I've ever seen!

What are these people talking about? Phil's sets were more upbeat, louder, and longer than any show I have seen him play this summer (7). I was in the front row the whole time and was completely blown away. Irresponsible reporting misses the first of a GD set in my opinion. The Festie was all in all a good time, but not was many heads as you see at the others. By the way Mickey freaking killed it. Best Comin' around I have heard in a long time. Peace

This was my 4th trip to the Northwoods. We all had a blast! I love this festival. The 10klf staff knows how to throw a party. Great Music,

Laid back security, Room for a crowd 5 or more times the size, Showers!!

Clean bathrooms, Drinks flowin @ The bar... Good Times.

Loved the diversity of 2008. Highlights for me: Phil Rocked,

Leftover Salmon kicked ass as usual. Mickey's show was a pleasant suprise. TR3, The Bad Plus, Mofro, Bonerama, The Waybacks, Extra Golden is very good check em out. Everyone Orchestra was organized chaos. Secret Cheifs 3 was a freaky-loud-abraisive fun suprise... Dub Trio too.

Keep it up 10klf. See ya next year.

Attendance estimates that I heard from staff were around 17,000 - That figure would include those that purchased day passes and skipped camping. The crowd was definitely much lighter than previous years...the Viking campground went unused.

I give credit to the writer despite the acts he chose to see/review. Fuck going to a festival with a homework assignment. I wonder how long the guy waited to drop "psychosomatic" in an article.

More credit should be given for writing a review for this site. In case you're wondering there is no prize or fee for submitting a review, I encourage more of you to contribute. Here's my two cents.........................

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New Mastersounds: were on FIRE! The reviewer caught two or three songs at most, I danced my ass off for their entire set. I was at a perpendicular angle of drummer Simon Allen (his drum kit faced the band instead of facing the crowd) who destroyed the skins!

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Bonerama: These guys are great, towards the end of their set they rocked the best cover of Whipping Post I've ever heard.. very solid and jammy!

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Mickey Hart Band: Killed, simple good times. I love Kyle and the rest of this band, Jen Durkin (DBB) added a nice touch, they closed their set with Scarlett>Fire>Going Down the Road.

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Cornmeal: God this band is great. I saw their acoustic set at Wakarusa 07 and kept wondering what the big fuss was about... now I know. This band will continue to rise, I promise they'll see better and better festival time slots in the very near future. Everyone was dancing and loving the moments during and between jams, they melted from bluegrass to jamgrass to jam. Very enjoyable.

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Leftover Salmon: Wow, it's so nice to have this band back!!! I was making my rounds talking with the vendors and quickly got sucked down to the main stage, which was pretty lightly attended. It didn't slow down Vince, Emitt and the rest of this red-hot band. There was a sudden increase of smiling faces and dancing feet. I kicked the shoes to dance barefoot on the concrete pounding my souls to the ryhthm. Sorry, not too good with their setlist and song titles, anyway, it was a treat to see them up close and personal (despite the fact it was the main stage just before Phil). One of the best sets of 10KLF 2008.

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Phil & Friends: Superb! This band is hitting strides on a routine basis. Personal highlight for me included first set Cosmic Charlie. BTW, one of my heros John Scofield sat in with the band for the entire first set!!! Sco & Larry Campbell trading licks was amazing! Also the second set Eyes & Viola Lee Blues which kept reprising at the end of the second set. A nice Tom Thumb's Blues encore finished just before the fireworks. I'm really loving this current line-up and I'm hopeful for a solid in-depth fall tour. They deserve it, and you deserve it. Bring your friends and those old-schoolers to a grateful celebration.

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Fireworks: One of the best fireworks experiences possibly ever, though short it was perfectly created in the sky. They blasted off over the East entrance shortly after Phil said his last goodbye, offering everyone a great view. The DJ dropped a couple tasty grooves that had the crowd stopped and moving in place, running through a reggae beat into a dance trance, and finally into a well placed MMW jam(which conjured up happy thoughts of the Fireworks display during the recent Clearwater Jazz Fest where MMW went nuts during the night-time exploding display).

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Attendance: Clearly gas prices and other "tiny" festivals in Michigan played their part in a smaller 10KLF attendance, which was estimated around 5-7K. That being said, it was great to have plenty of room, better views, and even the vendors appreciated less competition and a more focused audience. With another successful 10KLF under the belt, there is no doubt they'll be back in 2009 with a strong and diverse line-up that will surely bring a large crowd back to the beautiful Minnesota Lake Country.

hell ya tsmith, kinetix ALWAYS brings the heat, they have packed in the saloon the last 3 year, it was nice to hear at the end that they announced they would get a bigger stage next year.

Jackie Green is a prodigy and he should never be asked to leave the stage

Geez...lay off the reviewer. Some of you are acting like a bunch of spoiled kids who didn't get a 4th scoop of ice cream. Thanks to the writer for reporting on the festival for us! And to the photographers with the wonderful shots. I do have to take exception to the statement that Pert Near Sandstone isn't that great - see them live anywhere, anytime, and you'll have a great night.

I went last year and had the time of my life and upon leaving it was agreed among friends that we would for sure be returning the next year. Well i chose rothbury and i ended up being more than satisfied with my choice although this sounded like a really grate fest. It really is such a wonderful environment for a festie and the people running it seem to be very capable heads who care about the scene and more importantly the music. Maybe next year 10k? And i think the four hour phil show should be the new standard for phil shows, "the music never stopped" is that not the whole idea?

its great to hear cornmeal getting all this love

I admit a bias, but I thought the Kinetix show was transcendent. It felt like the overflow crowd would drop from shear exhaustion and excitement as Kinetix delivered new numbers and old favorites in a seamless stream of high energy, exquisite rock. And then when everyone was dripping wet, Kinetix ended with their only cover. "Killing in the Name of" just whipped everyone up to another fever pitch. What a show.

KINETIX FUCKING RULES!!!

I'm sorry but I am also a bit disappointed with this review. I understand that everyone has their own taste preferences when choosing which bands to see. But when you have a chance to see one of the GD legends helping keep the jam scene alive today, why miss it? I think it is great that 10k puts on smaller acts in the Saloon Stage to help get band's names out on the festival and jam map, but I'm pretty sure 10k would love their 2008 fest to be remembered by Phil Lesh opening up his first set with SHAKEDOWN STREET WITH JOHN SCOFIELD AS A GUEST!!!!! Rather than Heatbox putting on a sick hip-hop show at the Saloon Stage. I dunno, it's just my opinion. disagree if you wish. And I understand how the reviewer didn't say that "Phil played too long". Instead he overheard it. But why even mention it in this review? I honestly don't care what some idiot yelled out at 10k. People yell out a bunch of shit there.

But Flaming Lips "EASILY THE BEST SET"? I don't see how easy it was for you to decide that. Cuz I'm having a really HARD time trying to figure out what was so great about it. Don't get me wrong, I think the Flaming Lips are a very talented group that produced some amazing songs and albums. So I was really excited to check them out live for the first time. But the show really disappointed me. Wayne Coyne wouldn't shut up. I just wanted to hear the band play. I didn't come to 10k to have a political lecture. The Flaming Lips had an hour and a half to show me what kind of a live show they can perform. And they did a terrible job. They would play some good well known songs, and I would start digging it when they would be in the groove. But then it just stopped like on the cd. Even though dancing naked chicks and teletubbies are cool, I could have gotten the same performance playing their album on my ipod and checking out a circus or local strip bar.

And if you had such a good feeling in your heart after the Flaming Lips, how could you not hear the amazing sound coming from the Field Stage when Deep Banana Blackout was playing? A band that changed the jam scene in the mid 90's by adding a funk and jazzy feel while capturing a sound of some James Brown, Sly, and Funkadelic in the mix. A group that broke up in 2003 and has only played a few shows each year since. We were very lucky to have them at 10k this year.

And Lotus isn't just an instrumental techno band. They are a band that performs electronic dance music while fusing it with rock and funk all at the same time. unless their 10k performance was different than any other, since I was really feeling the funk when hearing them, saying they're an instrumental techno band doesn't really say much for them. I dunno, that's just my opinion once again. You guys can disagree with me if you wish.

Well that's about all I had to say. Here's my top 5 10k 2008 shows in order:

1. Medeski, Scofield, Martin, & Wood

2. Mickey Hart Band

3. Panjea w/ Michael Kang

4. Phil Lesh

5. Darkstar Orchestra or Deep Banana Blackout (sorry, couldn't decide)

I would not say that Phil & Friends (or any other GD cover band for that matter) is "keeping the jam scene alive." These guys are killing the jam scene by doing the same stuff over and over again. If there still was a "jam scene" it would be forced to evolve into something new and exciting. Not 4 bands per festival playing the same songs. Scarlet>Fire>GDTRFB....big deal. Heard tons of 'em. Bring us something new!

and not naked people....

Not one word about Kinetix in the review, hands down one of the best sets of the weekend! These dudes are gonna blow up...just you all wait! Nothing about Cornmeal, TR3, Phix or Family Groove, where the hell was this Zach Kobrinsky dude, dumbass missed all the best shows....and who misses Phil the majority of Phil to see a local beatboxer....come on! (nothing against Heatbox)

Papa Mali was horrible! Dude ruined so many songs....butchering "I'm a Ram" completely turned me off...this dude needs to disappear. Dub Trio was pretty lame as well, minus their drummer...that guy can play, but hip-hop/metal/jam, it just doesn't mix. And one more complaint....George Clinton needs to drop the act...let Funkadelic go out and play...Clinton nowadays barks and mumbles, definetly not a Field Stage worthy performance in my book, EOTO tore it up and should have been playing that stage.

this review could have been much better - sounds a lot like this Zach Kobrinsky figure went on a 4 day alcohol/drug binge and forgot he was there to do a job...you missed the best acts dude!

The Lips were deff. a good show to indulge for. the Music was ok at best, more of a theatrical production than a straight up rock and roll show. to each their own.

aplomb

It sounds like the promoters took a bit of a bath on ticket sales, pity, 10KLF always books great talent, Rothbury and Allgood being so close on the calender had to hurt. Wed-Sat is a bit of a head scratcher too, Thurs-Sun seems more practical. Yet another top notch fest that needs 2-3 reviewers. I'd love to see a trio-maybe a couple dudes with different musicla tastes and add in a female point of view, this would be the minimum. About 15 fests a year deserve this treatment, it's time for Jambase to get organized and coordinate a comprehensive report, we need more points of view.

It was hard to see all the music at this festival, so give the reviewer a break! But really there were some much better bands I would have reviewed...good pics though, as always!

Im not sure that this guy was at the same festival I was at....Leftover Salmon was a throw down, I wanted Phil to play all night, and he didnt even mention Deep Bannana Blackout which was a PARTY. The lineup was kinda weak this year but 10k is the best fest around. See yall next year!

phil can play for as long as he wants

Anyone hating on the reviewer please re-read the part about the magic carpet rides and tell me if you still feel the same way.

My top 3 by the way:

1. Leftover Salmon

2. Phil & Friends

3. Cornmeal

Phil can play for as long as he wants. I would never complain for a long Phil set. Phil does keep the scene alive though. That was an amazing cover they did of "Don't Let Me Down". Never heard it played that way before. Plus, his friends during this tour are Jackie Greene and Steve Molitz. Both who are in today's jam scene. Having both those guys along with Scofield play with phil adds so much more to these GD songs than I could've imagined. Plus at Rothbury, which I wish I went to, he even had Warren Haynes as a guest. And in past years, he had a superjam at Bonnaroo with Trey and Gordon. If that's not adding something new to this scene than I don't know what is. Unless you're looking for a more futuristic electronic sound, STS9 would be the right direction follow. And no hating from me on the reviewer. He seems like an overall chill guy who has some great stories and memories from the fest. Just disappointed in the review and decisions of missing the final headliner.

the fart of the summer

IF anybody knows how to get any Panjea or Rebel Alliance shows please let me know.

Rothbury looked sick, I think more festivals should push their venues. Paradise is paradise unless its paradise. Or fucking endtrails of alright shows. I would have killed myself if I chose 10K Lakes over Rothbury. God Damn It!

Fuck Everything

I'm Gonna dip my balls in it!!

Do Not Comment!

As a MN native and four-time 10K attendee, I'd like to throw my two cents in on this whole deal. First off, it sounds like you missed Papa Mali on Wednesday, who was absolutely fantastic. Down-home Cajun style funk! Warren Haynes meets Dr. John, and everyone in the band was tight as hell. DSO was great as was P-funk until George came on with the "OH SKEET SKEET SKEET SKEET". Just kidding--that was hilarious.

Flaming Lips "easily the best show" there?? Maybe visually, but Coyne can't sing and talked way too much. To each his own though--I can see why people might possibly like them...sorry to hate.

Definitely hear what you're saying with MSMW. The show was late afternoon during the hottest day of the festival after four days of July sun. I'm a huge MSMW fan, and just couldn't feel the vibe after a few songs due to the heat. A late night set would have been fantastic, but they definitely did bring the heat, literally.

I've seen Heatbox a few times, and he's great as a novelty, (he's a fantastic beat boxer who does looping like Keller Williams. Also does the best movie preview voice impression of all time.), HOWEVER, once you've seen one show, you've seen them all. To miss Phil's first set seems ridiculous to me. He played with SCO for the entire set!! And please, where is the love for Jackie Greene? An amazing voice and great guitarist that meshes with Phil and Larry Campbell beautifully. Second Set was stellar, especially "Deal" and "Don't Let Me Down".

Steve Molitz--Come out of your shell bro!!!! We've all seen you in Particle--You're not fooling anybody!!!! Phil was definitely the highlight for me. Sadly I also missed Salmon:( Great weekend!!

Great Fest! If you havent been to this one check it out. The reviewer had fun, lay off. I cant wait till next year. Bring back WSP!

Phil Lesh's Set was AWSOME, I agree with sunnbear! Those people complaining about his set must obviously not like the dead.. But the fest was allright nothing like the previous years.. Leftover like always teared it up!!! but short set. Im hopen for a leftover apperance at Yarmony Grass!!!

Phil kicks ass...so does Tim Reynolds.....

The Flaming Lips were the only reason I went to this show, and I'm so glad I made the trip up. Dub Trio were amazing, glad I caught them, I'm sad there aren't more people talking about The Hue they bring some heat too. BUT, playing the same time as P-Funk, what do you expect. The P-Funk set was much better at night, compared to 4 in the afternoon on a Sunday like Summercamp. Having said all that, and I know I'll get a lot of heat for this seeing as how this is a jam band web site for the most part, but... 4 days of jam bands is too much. I thought Phil Lesh was great, Wood Bros. were great... beyond that not too much jammy stuff impressed me. Everyone Orchestra was one of the worst/most boring shows I've ever seen/been a part of.

Did anyone catch Christmas on Mars? Now THAT made my weekend worthwile.

would anyone waste any more time seeing the flaming lips do their same tired act if there weren't naked chicks on stage??? they have never been all about the music, which is fine, but you have to wonder what else they can do to con people into seeing them.

if you're really only there to see the naked women, then you're shallow and small minded. go watch a porn somewhere. they have had the same show this summer but its the best show i've ever seen. much better than boring guitar noodling that goes on for 20 minutes.

bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch

moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan

complain complain complain complain

(repeat)

and phil's new bass is a ritter

http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses-baesse/ritter-basses-jupiter.htm

verrrrryyyy nice

http://www.archive.org/details/pf2008-07-26

sooo sick!!!!

Hey BungledMorphine, I'm sorry but you have been misinformed. One of the best parts about 10KLF (i was there) is that they DO NOT HAVE OVERLAPPING PERFORMANCES. I maybe missed 1 band I wanted to see the entire weekend because of how good they are at not overlapping. The only thing keeping the author of this article from some of the best shows was probably the minor bands playing in the saloon while he got wasted all day, lost track of time, and decided to just keep drinking up there instead of hitting up the REAL music.

I'd like to clear up a few things regarding some of the Phil Lesh comments.

I think some people commenting are missing the point behind the reviewers mentioning that "a lot of other patrons had some complaints about Phil's set. I heard a lot of people saying that he just played for too long. He played close to a four hour set. Lotus' performance and the fireworks show had to be delayed because of it."

I have attended 10klf each year except 2004 and 2008. Two years ago (10klf 2006) the Phil Lesh & Friends set went long. Presumably much like this year's set. Now, the set itself (the music) was not too long, it simply went long, meaning it went longer than it was scheduled. The band played over it's allotted time.

I personally love seeing PL&F and figure the longer they play the better. But at a festival (with multiple acts and stages and set schedules) I think it's considerate/respectful for acts to stick to their alloted time. This way all the acts get a chance to showcase their talent.

In 2006 Umphrey's McGee had to wait for PL&F to finish their set before they could begin playing just up the field from the main stage (where PL&F were playing). Phil's playing late (over their allotted time) meant that UM had to cut their set short by about 20+ minutes (don't quote me on the exact amount of time, it was 2 years ago). In my opinion UM was visibly upset/shaken by the delay in getting on stage and didn't seem to find there rhythm until halfway thru their shortened set. Most people I talked to thought the set was great, but I couldn't help thinking they had to scrap a good amount of material and didn't play the show they had planned and hoped to play.

I can't speak to the exact situation at 10klf this year, but I believe things may have been similar for the bands that had to follow PL&F on Saturday night. The reviewer mentions that "Lotus' performance and the fireworks show had to be delayed because of it."

Lotus, Cornmeal, White Iron Band, and God Johnson may or may not have been inconvenienced because of Phil's set going long, I can't speak to that. And obviously there are exceptions to sticking within the parameters a festival sets for each stage/act. When a band is the final band that night I think they can probably play as late as they like. And I'm sure there are some that maintain headliners have earned the right to play over their time if they please.

All that being said, that's what I take from what the reviewer had to write. I think by playing over their allotted time PL&F are a bit rude and inconsiderate of their fellow musicians playing after them. Regardless of which stage and set time a band has each band or performer deserves a chance to showcase their talent (except for O.A.R.).

So I've gone to the past 4 10klfs. And in 2006, the only reason Phil and Friends played longer than supposed to was because they were asked to. They were asked to because Umphrey's was running late and had trouble arriving to the festival. They didn't even know if they were going to make it. Eventually , they ended up renting some cars to get to the fest. A PT Cruiser I believe they mentioned since I have the recording of that show.

I'm not sure what happened this year, but I don't even care cuz I wasn't complaining or checking the time. I was having too good of a time during Phil Lesh, then it ended and I saw fireworks and I made my way over to the Field Stage to enjoy Lotus. Which was also an amazing show.

My thanks to the writer for the review!

i want a magic carpet ride

I've gone to the 10,000 Lakes Festival every year since the inception. Frankly, I wasn't going to go this year, but then the Flaming Lips and Phil Lesh were announced and I had to go.

I've seen the Flaming Lips four times, all great shows...but this show...was something else. Unbelievably awesome...and the naked chicks had nothing to do with it. They were on fire, especially the psychedelic numbers, "Vein of Stars" dedicated to Pink Floyd and "Pompeii Am Götterdämmerung," which sounded like it could have came off of Pink Floyd's Meddle.

There's a professionally shot video of this show going around....do yourself a favor and watch it...you'll see what an amazing show this was. Highlights included watching the teletubies pass around a huge joint and of course, the naked chicks during "Song Remains the Same"...but the best may have been when Wayne Coyne said this following "Vein of Stars"

"Steven when you hit those notes, I felt as though...This moment...with these people...I think that is going to live in my mind for the rest of my life. Just sometimes... like... music and love and people and atmosphere...it all just......it's just fucking PERFECT."

As for Phil Lesh and Friends....really good show, especially the second set...but it doesn't quite live up to my favorite 10KLF moment, Phil's 2006 show....mind-blowing.

lestergangs, where can I find the professionally shot video of the lips? I thought the show was amazing and I remember Coyne saying that and could feel the love, it was PERFECT.

Somebody posted the entire show at the Flaming Lips official site on the message board. Read the 10klf thread. The only thing that sucks is the audio and video is a split second out of synch. It's phenomenal anyway.

Wow!!! Did you not hear/see the Histronic???? This was the first set to ever have intelligent lights in the Saloon, besides the Kinetix who set the precedent the set prior to the Histronic. This was by far my favorite set of the Weekend. Imagine the sound of the New deal meets MMW, Pink Floyd, ELP, and Aphex Twin. The Histronic threw one of the greatest dance parties ever, perhaps the best show in the Saloon to date. How can you not have any pictures from this??? Were you all too worn out to stay up till 1:30 am for a late night slot? Please let me know if you need more coverage of the festival or if you need more pics. I feel this review was very lack luster at best.... Down on the lotus set? Are you crazy???? Per Near gets a shout out.... this review is messed up beyond repair... Please check out the Histronic, they played 1:30 am on Saturday, after the lips, while no other bands were playing, and rocked my world, how this was missed by Jambase I'm not sure... perhaps Zach's mom was at the festival and he had a bedtime...

www.myspace.com/thehistronic

Kinetix definitely threw down one of the best sets of the weekend! You can't fit anymore people in that saloon. More people need to check this band out they are amazing.

The Flaming Lips pro video was probably a pull from I-Clips, I caught the set on the site live and it was a visual extravaganza, clearly these headliner gigs are paying well because Wayne shot more confetti and steamers than I ever thought humanly possible. He was going nuts with all the gizmo's and I'd guess rolling pretty hard-he spent the whole show talking a hundered miles a minute and frankly wouldn't shut up, must have got some legit molly on shakedown street.

Flaming lips was all visual and very very simple music just played really loud. and Im glad i saw the whole New Mastersounds set instead of wasting my time with a cover band. good story though

for the people baggin' on the lips, get your shit straight especially freshlfavor or what have you the lips don't hire damned strippers what they do is usually get women from the local acting or drama clubs mature women who are in no way strippers and are doing it because the lips are promoting self expression no matter what that is so quit oppressing what it is that this band does, and trust me they do what they do better than half your beloved bands out there.

As a Local of the DL/Fargo area I have the luxury to attend every year. This year was a representation of the new face of the "Major Festival Scene", feeling the strains of having (dare I say it) an oversaturation of music festivals across the country. As I say this I do not think this is a bad thing, but the bubble will burst. Festivals like 10KLF, that pride themselves of their interaction with the festival "campers", ensuring that the fit and feel is correct to make the best show possible will separate the week from the strong.

Cheers to you 10KLF Management.

So as I am a local, I do have a slight incite into the mind of the festival booking staff. I do have a burden to get off my chest, Rothberry single-handily hurt 10KLF because of a proximity clause on their top 25-30% of bands, this being done to directly close the market in a 750 mile radius (something very common in the music business) to not have them at Bonnaroo. Unfortunately this radius clause included 10KLF in that market. But I will go as far as to say that Rothberry will not have the same leverage as this year (or the $$ to loose again next year, as they build their name) and the Lineup will be back to the strength it was in '06. (I would go as far to say it will melt you face of in '09, you just wait).

The final comment I have to add is on the Phil Lesh show debate. I do have intimate knowledge that the owners of 10KLF are what you would call huge “Deadheads". They will keep the feel of 10KLF catered by very strong connection to GD. Now this may be the reason that PL&f played for 4 hours each time they have played 10KLF but I would the people ask the large campers/RV's (with as many lights as a house near xmas) located directly behind the stage in VIP campground, as they might have a story to tell you about a GD tour during the 60's.

Over all my assessment of 10KLF 08 was one of great times and good vibes. It felt like the year #2 when the eyes were bigger and the smiles were all around. But I can tell you that this may be the last time we get the "intimate feel", as next year will have a goal set by the 10KLF leadership team of 20,000 people. And trust me the headliners will be larger and more of them, but good luck getting to front row of a main stage act.

Cheers!

Parrotheadfargo

P.S.

10KLF please bring back Frisbee Golf!

irtimed

Simple music, huh? Have you ever listened to Pet Sounds or Smile by the Beach Boys? Have you ever listened to Sgt. Pepper by the Beatles. Do you think that's simple? Because the Flaming Lips are doing far-from-simple orchestrated psychedelic music and have put out two albums that are two of the best rock records released in the last 20 years, "The Soft Bulletin" and "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots".

I guess you need a tired endless guitar solo to peak your interest.

i have listened to the lips, and they just don't do much for me. the festival sounds awesome. definitely disappointed that i missed it.

This was my 1st 10K. We came from the West Coast. Loved the vibe, the MN nice, the new band discoveries. For me that's what a fest is all about ... no need for big headliners ... all they bring is the crowds. We'll be back in 09. 10K please bring the funk again in 09!

ok i know this is like almost 5 months later - but i just got 1 complaint...John Scofield's amp was TOOO fricken loud. I was very sad at MMW's performance. :( but other than that...twas a wonderful affair.

can't wait for next year!