Meat Puppets: Out Of The Weeds

You're never gonna escape the guitar playing! It's Jerry for crissakes! God bless him. The Meat Puppets wouldn't have existed without the Grateful Dead... They're steeped in romance and tradition in the way a lot of good art is, and so are we. But, fuckin' Jerry, that's just a one of a kind guy.

-Cris Kirkwood


"The record company loved it, I can tell you that! Nirvana was cool. I felt like our influence on the guy was to help make him the kind of artist who would want to expose his new, massive fanbase to the people he'd been into. It's an attitudinal influence," Kirkwood says. "Beyond that, it's just something that happened, part of the band's history. The guy went on to blow his head off, and it turned into this thing. It's a tragedy, for his family at least. This was one of his last performances and it's kind of gone down into music history, but at the time it just seemed like some songs to us. We'd been around for a while at that point and the music business had existed throughout our career, and we'd been a part of it to the degree that we had. So, we just saw this really good band. You could see why they got popular to the degree that they did, but a big part of that is the music biz – it didn't just happen on their own. But beyond all that, they were a pretty cool band that wanted to do some stuff together."

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Conversation turns to another great musician no longer with us, Jerry Garcia, an undeniable but not oft-cited influence on the Meat Puppets. His ghost lingers powerfully in many passages of their catalog.

"Fuck the ghost, you're never gonna escape the guitar playing! It's Jerry for crissakes! God bless him. The Meat Puppets wouldn't have existed without the Grateful Dead. You want to know where the fucking attitude shift came from that we passed onto the punkers, well, it's largely from the Dead and the rich musical background they echoed back to," offers Kirkwood. "They're just a bunch of guys that really fucking dig music and really like playing it and aren't constrained by the times. It's a kind of art that's always been around in a way. They're steeped in romance and tradition in the way a lot of good art is, and so are we. But, fuckin' Jerry, that's just a one of a kind guy."

What one hears on the new Meat Puppets album is guys making music in very much this manner – music that plays to no sensibilities other than their own. There's zero courtship of modern radio/video culture, and the whole thing rises up like some beautiful, exotic animal rollicking in its element. That's perhaps cornier than Sewn Together deserves but there's a fine sense of active, hirsute life in the grooves of their 12th album.

"Curt and I made the last record, Rise To Your Knees [2007], after not playing together for a while because of all my travails. It was Curt's idea to play together again at all and just go right into the studio, and it's a touching record just because of that. It's beyond a treat, it's really big for me to be able to get to the place where I could play again and Curt would want to play with me," says Kirkwood. "But, on this [new] project, we'd been playing with Ted [Marcus, drums] for a while and we fell further back into it, my past falling further and further behind, and Curt and I just doing what we've always done, which is chasing some weird ass piece of shit that's ultimately served by Curt's songs and the band doing whatever the hell we do."

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"On this one I descended into bass nerd land. It definitely has some Phil Lesh damage going on," continues Kirkwood. "I've got this rant, this lil' koan, which is the two sides of the lysergic bass. On one side is Phil and on the other side is Dusty [Hill] of ZZ Top. Two completely different approaches but together you end up in Lysergic Larryland. On [Sewn Together] I've managed to grow as an artist by minimalizing my trip as opposed to trying to chase something as accomplished and musically advanced in terms of theoretical and compositional elements like Phil. I don't have the fucking patience or attention for that, but I definitely have the consumptive abilities! 'I'm stoned enough so why does my bass playing still suck? [laughs].' I'm just finally figuring out that I can play less and dig it, and I think it served the songs nicely."

"I find myself listening to Curt's vocals on [Sewn Together] and thinking, 'Damn dude, nice!' I'm listening to them somehow removed from it even though we recorded it, and I'm drawn to them as music. I'm starting to get to that place with our music now that Curt and I are playing together again. Jesus, we've done this for a while. I think I may have been at his point when I was younger but I don't really remember. But, we're getting to a place now that's really satisfying musically. There's moments when I just have to stop and go, 'Well, that was fucking Satanic!' [laughs]."

There's also the matter of making art with his brother, which is bound to have an impact on the intimacy of the creative process.

"Oh definitely, to the degree that it does. Curt's one of the walking dead, so I don't know if 'intimacy' is really the word you'd use for a fucking rotting corpse. He is my brother though," chuckles Kirkwood, whose humor has the gallows swing of someone who's survived a lot of dark shit. "It's back to where it started from in the first place, with three of us playing together and realizing, 'Ah, that's something.' There's for sure some more music to come out of us. We're hitting a new stride I guess."

The Meat Puppets are on tour now, dates available here.

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