Lotus/PGroove | 03.27.09 | Vermont

By: Kevin Schwartzbach

Lotus/Perpetual Groove :: 03.27.09 :: Higher Ground :: Burlington, VT

Lotus :: 03.27 :: VT by Schwartzbach
Religious experience comes in many forms. There are those that believe this type of experience is only possible via one of the world's many organized religions. Simply put, these people are wrong. For many of us music possesses an extraordinary ability to uplift us to a sublime level of spirituality creating a wholly unequivocal religious experience that no church or synagogue could possibly rival. Few bands excel more in this capacity than the Philadelphia-based quintet Lotus. I knew from experience that Lotus' music is capable of creating uplifting and spell-inducing moments that seem utterly divine. When I walked into Higher Ground I was not merely entering some commonplace concert venue, I was entering the Church of Lotus, where the band were my ministers and the general admission floor my sanctuary.

There is a flipside to this religious coin, which co-headliners Perpetual Groove seemed to fittingly represent. Drudging through their meandering set often felt like those occasional dreary mornings when I was forced to sit through droll synagogue services where I found myself continually looking at my watch while asking my parents, "How much longer until this is over?" After seeing several PGroove shows, I have yet to quite figure out the appeal of these Georgia peaches. Though they put on a tight, occasionally very energetic performance, it was hard to overcome their devastatingly generic sound. Just about every tune seemed to be a tasteless reworking of hackneyed major scale and/or funk-rock progressions.

Bassist Adam Perry was the sole luminary in an otherwise dim cast, stealing the show with his deep resonating thumps. Sporadically it seemed Brock Butler (guitar, lead vocals) was onto something interesting, but a poor sound mix rendered it hard to hear amidst the other musicians. The set though was not without its highlights. "Digging in the Dirt" and "Teakwood Betz" offered some of the more glimmering moments. Most of the set however closely resembled any number of bland alternative rock songs played on the radio ad infinitum between 1995 and 1998. That being said, this was probably the best set I have ever seen by these guys, but that's not saying much. Higher Ground has a way of bringing out the best in bands.

Lotus :: 03.27 :: VT by Butler
Lotus kicked things off with the aptly named "Spiritualize," promptly re-sanctifying the venue. Their rich blend of jazz, rock, world, and dance music instantaneously absorbed the crowd, taking control of their limbs, tossing them in every direction. Mike Rempel gradually took hold of the song with his soft, caressing guitar tone. With good guitarists being a dime-a-dozen these days it can be hard for even the most talented ones to stand out, but Rempel's genuinely unique sound continually amazed me as I watched his limber fingers slink up and down the fretboard. Even when his normally crisp, jazzy sound was doused in effects, his distinct style of playing was thoroughly unmistakable.

All the members of Lotus seem to harbor a unique sound despite all playing rather pedestrian instruments. Brothers Jesse (bass, sampler) and Luke Miller (keyboards, guitar) switched back and forth between their respective string instruments and an assortment of gadgetry, creating a kind of amalgam of organic and synthetic sounds. When Jesse swung over to his sampler it was anybody's guess as to what noises would come out, while Luke's keyboards produced a myriad of timbres I had previously never heard before going to a Lotus show.

Chuck Morris (percussion) and Steve Clemens (drums) were stunning over the course of the night. Morris did everything from providing worldly bongo hits to electric vibraphone solos on songs such as "Livingston Storm." Clemens showed off his diverse capabilities as well on the kit, playing beats that were straight up rock and roll on "Hammerstrike," while infusing the jovial guitar and bass in "Nematode" with a backbeat that closely resembled hip-hop, leading to a mix that sounded like The Grateful Dead if they'd been produced by Dr. Dre.

Hammerstrike's "Age of Inexperience" contained a foray into the full extent of Lotus' dance music influence. An authoritative bass, unusually synthetic timbres and a pounding beat accompanied by strobe lights made the place feel like a rave. But, there was no thieving DJ standing complacently inside a little booth – this music was being pumped out by the blood and sweat of authentic musicians.

One of my favorite aspects of Lotus concerts has always been the light show that accompanies the music. Throughout the night the lights closely mimicked the aesthetic of the music. When the music became jubilant the lights would turn a bright red or yellow casting glory onto the whole audience. But, when the music took on a more ominous feel, the lights would dim, leaving only flickers of dark purple or green crawling across the room.

Lotus :: 03.27 :: VT by Butler
The set ended with Lotus delivering their "Flower Sermon" sandwiched between two halves of "Sunrain." Roughly 2,500 years ago, Buddha delivered the wordless Flower Sermon to his disciple by presenting him with a lotus flower, thus transmitting the ineffable key to nirvana. That lotus flower evidently was reincarnated in the form of a five-piece instrumental dance-fusion band from Philadelphia several millennia later. Over the years, "Flower Sermon" has developed into one of their tightest and most riveting numbers. The gradual escalation the song begins with creates an aura of anticipation, but just as an explosion seems imminent the bottom drops out, leaving only a short lick from Rempel's crisp guitar. That lick subsequently swells into an energetic explosion finally fulfilling your expectations. Essentially, the song feels like it was modeled after one of those roller coasters where the car stops for a split second right before the initial drop, leaving you teetering in limbo for what feels like an eternity. Just when you think all anticipation has been shattered, the car lets loose, barreling down the sheer drop at 90 miles per hour.

The band snaked along a track of peaks and valleys, with the occasional loop de loop and spiral helix thrown in, until the car unhinged from the tracks and shot off into the stratosphere upon the seamless transition back into the ending of "Sunrain." A look of supreme bliss seemed to have spread onto every face as they basked in the "Sunrain."

Finally, an encore of "Jump Off" led the congregation to the auditory Promised Land. Thanks to Lotus, Burlington's Higher Ground, in the most religious sense, had literally become higher ground. An immaculate evening from Lotus gave us all the spiritual uplifting humans so desperately crave. Every Lotus show I venture to seems to be exponentially better than the last one. In my opinion, these guys have become one of the best live acts out there today. I know not if there is a God, but if he (or she) does exist, he/she would probably listen to Lotus.

Lotus :: 03.27.09 :: Higher Ground :: Burlington, VT
Spiritualize, Tarasque, Age of Inexperience > Juggernaut > Age of Inexperience, Hammerstrike, Livingston Storm, Invincibility of Youth, Dane Jeer Us, Nematode, Sunrain > Flower Sermon > Sunrain
E: Jump Off

Lotus is on tour now, dates available here. Perpetual Groove is also on tour, dates here.

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db28 star Tue 4/14/2009 12:08PM
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This guy sucks. P Groove is the Jam

UVA Tue 4/14/2009 12:34PM
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jambandfan star Tue 4/14/2009 12:38PM
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i really don't understand why jambase allowed such a strongly biased Lotus fan review a show that had Perpetual Groove co-headlining. it seems like this fan is just jaded that he didn't get to see his band play longer. 5 stars for every note Lotus touched, yet everything Perpetual Groove touched (quoting the fan that wrote this article) "closely resembled any number of bland alternative rock songs played on the radio ad infinitum between 1995 and 1998"?

Seriously? You say you have seen "several" Perpetual Groove shows, and that was the best comparison you could draw from? That is the most subjective BS i've read in a while. this is supposed to be a review. yes, reviews can have some good and bad to them... but to say that Lotus played as if God was sitting on stage while completely bashing the other band, and truth be told, it comes off as a bash against anybody who enjoys Perpetual Groove's music.

just stay on Lotus tour buddy.. leave the reviews to somebody with a little more eclectic of an ear.

Old No. 7 Tue 4/14/2009 12:38PM
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Old No. 7

^Seriously. I dont know about this review. I've seen PG many many times, and they have ripped it up everytime. I find that reviews are best written when keeping an open mind, rather than assuming that a band sucks because you feel youve seen a few "bad" shows. IMO

BurbonSong Tue 4/14/2009 12:38PM
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this guy doesn't know what he's talking about...

PGroove is where it's at!

TTFPJ, Diggin' in the Dirt, Three Weeks, Walking in Place, Teakwood Betz, Macumba>We Don't Care>Macumba

that looks like a HOT set to me!

tim4689 starstarstarstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 12:40PM
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i love p groove too but you obviously haven't seen lotus yet.

RichardHaley Tue 4/14/2009 12:42PM
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Just b/c he doesn't like PG or hasn't seen a ton of PG does not make the reviewer a jerk nor does it mean he "sucks." Regardless of if you agree or not, he did a pretty damn good job explaining why he didn't like the PG set... Personally, i think it's nice to see some critical writing on JamBase (b/c lets be serious, there are a lot of lame jam bands - and bands in general), there are heaps of PG revies on JamBase that stroke them over and over, this guy didn't like - so it goes... well written review.

jambandfan Tue 4/14/2009 12:45PM
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to tim4689:

you see, i was at the lotus/pgroove show in knoxville just a few weeks back (in february i do believe), and i thought both bands played magnificently. lotus was the opener that night, so their set was cut short, therefore, a little bit of untz was missing from their playing. i thought they did an excellent job with the short time they had. you see, i have ears that allow me to like more than one band. and i have fingers that allow me to write objectively and not be such a close-minded fanboy when submitting a review for others to read and leave comments on.

jtaylor365 star Tue 4/14/2009 12:45PM
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PG is Amazing! This guy obviously doesn't get PG's sound and what they're trying to do, and i could really do without the over the top religious metaphor (how do you know what God listens to?).

wturfcott star Tue 4/14/2009 12:47PM
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I don't really care for either band, but this review is exactly why people stereotype jamband fans. Pure unadulterated crap....favorite line in the review "All the members of Lotus seem to harbor a unique sound despite all playing rather pedestrian instruments." Pedestrian Instruments?? I guess I'd better go practice my almglocken chops!

jambandfan Tue 4/14/2009 12:47PM
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"he did a pretty damn good job explaining why he didn't like the PG set"

so, comparing a current touring jam friendly band to any run of the mill alternative rock act from the mid 90s is supposed to resonate well with me? it's completely off the mark and is in no way indicative of perpetual groove's sound (now, then, or ever). i really think it's more ridiculous than anything.

rulosa01 starstarstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 12:51PM
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I saw Pgroove and fell asleep. Literally the only show I have ever fallen asleep at. The reviewer thought Pgroove's set sucked, so what? thats his opinion, he wrote the article and put his name on it.

"Just about every tune seemed to be a tasteless reworking of hackneyed major scale and/or funk-rock progressions." Honestly that is exactly what I thought when I saw them.

I understand that if you love pgroove you aren't gonna like a negative review of them, but get over it. To assume that the reviewer doesn't have an "eclectic ear" makes you look like an asshole.

I thought it was a fine review, honest, but a little hoaky on the spiritual front. I am sure there were plenty of pgroove fans there that saw the enlightened lotus fans as nothing more than spunions.

runawaymatt star Tue 4/14/2009 12:52PM
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I'm glad you had a religious experience. I enjoy lotus and all... but to say you worship at their temple? seriously?

To each his own, but to completely bash a band like this is in pretty poor taste. Probably one of the worst/most biased articles I've read on this site.

stoweskier Tue 4/14/2009 12:52PM
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Can't comment on PGroove live as I've never seen them live. However, I did see Lotus in New Haven just a couple weeks ago and I've never seen a hybrid of prog/funk/electronica quite like them. A joy to watch on stage as the miller brothers do their best geddy lee impersonations switching between guitars, keyboards, foot pedals, etc. get "hammerstrike" if you haven't already.

RichardHaley Tue 4/14/2009 12:53PM
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jambandfan Tue 4/14/2009 12:55PM
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hammerstrike is a FANTASTIC album... i agree with stoweskier - get that shit!!

bleezy Tue 4/14/2009 12:58PM
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PG is the JAM

Lotus is also the JAM

GPGALOTS!!!!!!!! (get pgroove and lotus on the ship)

bleezy Tue 4/14/2009 12:59PM
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oh, btw... BLEEZY BITCHES!!!

sometimes you gotta munch on some nerds, ya dig?

phishspread-aholic Tue 4/14/2009 01:06PM
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this article started off really good...the writer is obviously a huge lotus fan. i havent seen pgroove since mcdonald left nor have i heard that much about them since there new years show review. they've kind of fallen off the map it seems. i'd like to see/hear more of them.

Badgerboy starstar Tue 4/14/2009 01:06PM
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I have not seeing Pgroove. So I will stay away from commenting about the Pgroove bashing that went on at the start of the article.

I saw Lotus a couple weeks ago. It was a fun show. Happy I went. But WHOA, i dont think I reached Nirvana at this show. Perhaps its cause I wasnt on drugs? IDK. But this review is a bit over the top. Lotus is not that great. There are of bands that blow them out of the water. Comparing bands to religious experience is ok...if it is that good. lol this was almost funny to read.

Have fun on that Lotus tour

jambandfan Tue 4/14/2009 01:11PM
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sheebs... perpetual groove is releasing soundboards now on their website. you should jump over there and listen to some of the previews they have available. their sound has really evolved since matt left. a lot less of the spaceship sounds and a lot more of funky and straight forward rock n roll. :)

ghilliesblunt star Tue 4/14/2009 01:31PM
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horribly biased review man, i dig both these bands but you disserviced them greatly with this review, do yourself a favor and google objective journalism

matthau Tue 4/14/2009 01:34PM
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Ehhh.....everyone is entitled to their opinions, but i agree with this reviewer. I don't know Lotus, but i find PGroove to be pretty boring and generic. If i want to point out how far the Jam scene has sank over the years, i point to Bisco and Pgroove. Seriously, there are MANY better bands out there jamming in my opinion. I suggest Club D'Elf outta Boston....they aren't fully a jam band, but they know how jamming is DONE RIGHT.

scooter6 star Tue 4/14/2009 01:37PM
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kevin schwartzbrah is a dooogan.

bluzbill-obx star Tue 4/14/2009 01:41PM
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it's funny but while I enjoy Lotus (even though it seems to me to be just one long song that sounds pretty much the same) it is P Groove that really shines and entertain in my book with a variety of songs and presentations. I did have the pleasure to see the Lotus/P Groove show in Knoxville and have seen Lotus almost 10 times so it is not that I dislike them, I just thing their sound stays the same throughout their show.

I think this reviewer has an axe to grind and does a disservice to the all fans by being as disrespectful towards one band as this review appears. It is one thing to be honest but quite another to be disrespectful.

rastarusty star Tue 4/14/2009 01:48PM
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who do they have reporting this stuff? Pgroove is generic and boring? I thought this was jambase? theres different styles of jam. And these guys def jam.

and who goes to a show with there parents? seriously.

get some new reporters jambase. Prgroove rocks. (caught them at rev hall the night before, got lotus in cuse the other day)Wanted to be at this show, but it sold out. Haters should have stayed away and left some tickets.

lotus is sick. can see them stealing the show, just dont understand the pgroove hate.

jplotkin starstarstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 02:01PM
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This guy is dead on, P Groove sucked that night, I was there. The set was boring and unimaginative. And thanks to Lotus the night wasn't a total loss. I just wish they didn't use all their energy the first night. The second night of Lotus, alright, at best). Not much energy, it seemed as though they were a little hung over from the night before.

monolith942 starstar Tue 4/14/2009 02:04PM
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i dunno... i love Lotus, seen them four or five times and every one reached new heights of intensity & telepathic interplay. their light show truly has to be seen to be believed. i think this reviewer captured the basics of one of their current performances, though he presented them in the worst possible way if he wanted to maintain any sort of credibility.

music is all a matter of taste, and jambase hired this guy, complete with his existing preferences and prejudices, to review this show. i could see crappy sound and a less-than-enthusiastic crowd being enough to reduce PGroove to a mediocre also-ran in the eyes of an unexperienced, unbiased onlooker... but it was irresponsible for this reviewer to dump on them the way he did.

whatev. both threw down hard at Rothbury last year, and at least Lotus will be coming back for '09. can't wait.

monolith942 Tue 4/14/2009 02:06PM
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^^ the tidbit tying both the band and the music into the origins of zen buddhism WAS kinda cool, though

michaeljackson Tue 4/14/2009 02:19PM
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I agree with the reviewer. PGroove sucks. They're the definition of a mediocre jam band. Fun as a party soundtrack only.

SOAM84 star Tue 4/14/2009 02:30PM
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All of Pgroove set's are shit! Mediocre shit you got that right MJ. SHIT!

Lon Marchand star Tue 4/14/2009 02:35PM
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Lon Marchand

I love it when people say "I fell asleep during so-and-so's set..."

You think that might be a substance issue rather than a musical one?

Badgerboy Tue 4/14/2009 02:40PM
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Whats so amazing about lotus light show? (night trying to hate here so dont get pissed)

It seemed like any other midsize tour band light show. The only difference was they had those colored screens in the background.

Not trying to talk up bisco here but I thought their light show was better.

And of course when I think of crazy light shows I think of STS9 but I feel thats getting into a different level of resources so I wont go there

CHBryan25 starstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 02:56PM
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sschaffner star Tue 4/14/2009 02:58PM
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i've heard mixed reviews about pgroove, but i've seen them twice and thought both shows were a lot of fun. i have no issues with someone expressing such distaste for a band, but the article sounds very juvenile to me. i kind of found myself wondering, "how much longer should i keep reading this?" oh, and lotus is phenomenal live, but drop the religious experience crap... i mean seriously, was that because the show was at the 'higher ground'? very clever!

spaceface7 starstarstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 03:22PM
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Buffalo and Syracuse were fun as hell! Go see this band!

Jhudson844 star Tue 4/14/2009 03:31PM
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"Drudging through their meandering set often felt like those occasional dreary mornings when I was forced to sit through droll synagogue services where I found myself continually looking at my watch while asking my parents, "How much longer until this is over?""

Sounds like this schmuck's rabbi sucked almost as much as his ear for music! Lotus and PG rock and seeing them together is a rare treat. Glad I was able to catch the Knoxville show.

RambleOnShelbyRose starstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 03:54PM
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religious metaphor was dumb.

and if you wanna remain credible then you should level it out a little, meaning you shouldn't raise lotus to the level of shiva, and you shouldn't say that pgroove was an atrocity, i'm sure lotus was good, and i'm sure pgroove might not have been on their game that night, but this review is just a little too harsh, and it seems that maybe the reviewer just wasn't very knowledgeable about the pgroove catalogue and sound

gdboston starstarstarstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 04:22PM
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cowperc Tue 4/14/2009 04:57PM
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love pgroove. lotus is great, too. i may not like the review, but it is the writer's opinion and i'm not going to knock him for it. everyone's entitled to one...

JaphyTaphy starstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 05:08PM
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i was actually lucky enough to catch both lotus and pgroove on 2 seperate occassions in the past 2 weeks, and i'll say this: i've caught a good number of pgroove shows and they're always a solid time, but some just had a bit more oomph and liveliness to 'em, while others, like the most recent one, lacked a bit but were still a bunch of fun. i feel lotus might be slightly more consistent as they displayed the other day at the bowery, and i've never not danced my ass off at a lotus show. but that's me. in terms of giving such uninhibited praise for lotus and bashing the crap out of pgroove, well, you can obviously write articles for jambase with whatever angle you want. that's the freedom this web site allows you. BUT, to go to the extent Kevin did in tearing up pgroove may be a bit unwarranted, or just a bit overkill. feeling that way about pgroove is perfectly fine, and the entitlement of all listeners, but as a music journalist (of some form), you should at least try to focus a little more on the few positive elements of the band, which one should be able to detect if you're writing up reviews. critical assessment is great and well-needed (hell, if it were all positive and fluffy, how would we be able to actually seperate different areas of ability), but when reviewing a band, no matter how bad they might sound to you, the minimum should be to write more than a few words on what they do right rather than an analogy-filled spiel on all the ways they went wrong. not a bad article at all, a pretty solid one actually. just way too overly-biased.

ClarkSean star Tue 4/14/2009 05:10PM
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Wow, Jambase should have put the filter on this one or, at a minimum, made some edits to simply say P Groove had an off night. I thought the jam band scene was a community?

redredwine star Tue 4/14/2009 05:11PM
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I was there for this show. Believe me when I say that this review was 100% contrived. It was in the can before the show started. I honestly don't know what show this guy was watching. The crowd was INSANE for PGroove. Teakwood ripped the roof off the place. And for We Don't Care the entire crowd had their hands up. The applause was deafening after their set. Lotus played a good set as well, but it was in NO WAY anything better than the storm that struck before them.

This is a case of a completely biased author writing about his favorite band. JAMBASE.....this review was a waste. Please take it upon yourself to make a necessary change.

ethan6 star Tue 4/14/2009 05:55PM
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i'm wondering if Mr. Schwartzbach was even at this show. P Groove tore it up!! and the cover of "we don't care" had the whole crowd singing. on the other hand Lotus put on one of the best sets i have ever seen and is one of the best bands out there. NO MORE BIASED REVIEWS!

zzdowz Tue 4/14/2009 06:21PM
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I'll take my Lotus before some P-Groove any day. I've seen P-Groove a couple times and it was alright, I wasn't blown away by any means but Lotus on the other hand, woooo!

ajssj starstarstarstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 07:24PM
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I was at the show, I saw them both nights. The second night was WAY better because BLVD, who put on an EH set, was 1000x better than pgroove. It was my first pgroove set, and I was there with an open mind expecting it to be good. I have been to 50+ jam shows, and have heard some good things about pgroove so I was genuinely expecting it to be atleast decent. It was easily the most boring show I ever was at. It's about time they started ripping bands for putting on terrible shows.

harpua331 star Tue 4/14/2009 07:36PM
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heres the thing...I once wrote a few reviews for this site. I tried to be as objective as I could. All five of my reviews were not accepted because I was too much of a fan in my writing. Now, after trying to read this...twice...I feel that it should not have been "published" on the site.

I have seen Lotus a multitude of times and I have seen PG about twice as many. Now, I have seen both bands play an off-night, but I highly doubt that they didn't show up on this night.

They love performing with Lotus for one and Higher Ground is one of their favorite clubs up north. I just think that this writer is a BIG Lotus fan for one and probably not very open to other stuff at this point.

Honestly, I think that the article should be pulled. I think that it does a big disservice to the site's reputation. I don't think that I have read that much of a biased review in a loooong time.

jus100odon Tue 4/14/2009 07:53PM
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kevin shwartsback is an asshole for one reason, and thats for telling people what to believe and whose wrong to believe in what. fuck you

theguykeator Tue 4/14/2009 08:08PM
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If P-Groove came to Minnesota I would get a chance to check them out...

Lotus was fire in Madison last weekend, killer two sets at the Majestic. Top 3 favorite venues!

mike_ruth07 Tue 4/14/2009 08:41PM
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Whether or not you think this review is shit, Lotus is on fire right now.

DJ Saturday Baxter Tue 4/14/2009 08:55PM
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DJ Saturday Baxter

i agree. I think PG is weak sauce. Really cheesy major key stuff. no super funk.

marley9 Tue 4/14/2009 09:20PM
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i thought god listened to nwa

okranot starstarstarstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 09:50PM
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damn, Butler's pictures are sick

dg5 starstarstarstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 09:50PM
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Nice Photo's Butler

ricochetred starstarstar Tue 4/14/2009 11:30PM
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Lotus and P-Groove will both be at Camp Barefoot 3 in Gore VA so come out and draw your own conclusions, or just enjoy. Both these bands lay it down hard in there own way so come out and party with a ton of other great bands!!!

WidespreadPhanic starstarstarstarstar Wed 4/15/2009 02:01AM
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PGroove sucks. I'm glad to see jambase isn't afraid to rip on bands from time to time when they're deserved. great article. p groove is lame sauce.

acomma Wed 4/15/2009 03:35AM
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this guy lost me with his opening sentence. where is the objectivity??

Treetophigh Wed 4/15/2009 05:36AM
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"Most of the set however closely resembled any number of bland alternative rock songs played on the radio ad infinitum between 1995 and 1998"

^^ this is how pgroove came off to me any time ive heard them

just glad to find out im not crazy

mesaxi star Wed 4/15/2009 05:59AM
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Sizlunt star Wed 4/15/2009 06:21AM
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I'm not going to bother sitting here trying to come up with a bunch of pretentious nonsense to emulate the writer of this article, I'll just say it simply: this article is a bunch of bullshit.

PhilnWeird star Wed 4/15/2009 06:27AM
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I don't know about you all but this article really makes me wanna go listen to some P-Groove. Doesn't help Lotus' cause any either. What a joke this guy is for writing such a biased article. He needs to write for US Weekly or something stupid like that.

hippyjessica star Wed 4/15/2009 06:53AM
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This Georgia Peach is going to put her foot up yo ass! Pgroove rules. I guess reviewer dude is too molly-ed out to appreciate good music.

pgroover Wed 4/15/2009 07:15AM
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I've seen 3 shows on this current Pgroove tour and let me say that they are on fire. This review paints an awful picture of a band hitting it's stride. If you had to choose between Pgroove and Lotus....Who ya got?...

FreshFlavor starstarstar Wed 4/15/2009 07:56AM
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^^ Pgroove is definitely talented and chill. But seriously?? Lotus NO QUESTION. You want to talk about a band hitten their stride their is no band more dynamic, genre bending, energetic, and positive force emerging then Lotus.

On another note, I feel that the reviewer also mixed up the term "religious" with spiritual. Being spiritual, you don't have to declare yourself to any dogmatic tradition, linear scripture, or moral structure in particular. You look for the light within and shine on others. I think that is what Lotus brings out of you...as well as projects on stage with songs like Lucid Awakening, Shimmer and out, Sermon, Sunrain, and Spiritualize.

GeorgieP Wed 4/15/2009 07:57AM
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"Though they put on a tight, occasionally very energetic performance..."

No, friend, they put on a tight, perpetually energetic performance. A shitty sound mix is completely an understandable reason to not enjoy the show, but to call their music generic is an outright lie. Clearly this reviewer went to Higher Ground to see Lotus and Lotus alone. Bill O'Reilly could have written a less biased article than this. I wish I had four hands, JamBase, so I could give this review four thumbs down.

androckguitar Wed 4/15/2009 08:22AM
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I don't really feel strongly about any of these bands but, c'mon are you seriously going to bash a band in a jambase review? that's uncalled for.

Do yourself a favor and learn how to write a decent review. There are other ways to write that you didn't enjoy the band that much....By the way, I've haven't seen PG in two years (they don't come out west that often) but I do remember them playing a rockin' show.

rastarusty Wed 4/15/2009 09:15AM
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its one thing if they sucked that night. There good nights and bad nights. When i saw there was quite the party goin down.

Just saying that they suck and he doesnt like them isnt a review, because there are plenty of people who like them, who want a review.

people want a non bias review, that all

P.lease_Groove star Wed 4/15/2009 09:25AM
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it sounds like kevin never got a call back from pgroove after one amazin night and now decided to take it out on them cause he can write a show review on jambase. but i agree with androckguitar, very uncalled for with the bashin'

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this was a good show, and I felt like the article writer my first four shows, but I kept my mine open and I kept going to shows and now I love them. I love jambands that much I guess. I keep trying. I never give up.

Crossroads: Huntsville, AL

Set I: A Day the Way, Crockett & Tubbs, TSMM, Get Down Tonight, The Noise

Set II: All This Everything, pt. 1, At the Screen, Occam's Blazer, Lost Connection> Macumba

E1: Mary Jane's Last Dance> All This Everything, pt. 2

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and for the record, when lotus opened for them at knoxville earlier this year, I felt it was the other way around. but don't listen to ME, find our for your own damn self :)

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free pgroove show at sewanee tn this friday night. for those of you who are not quitters :)

Hessco7below Wed 4/15/2009 09:43AM
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Agreed, P groove sucks. No comparison to LOTUS!

BRabbit Wed 4/15/2009 10:24AM
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Lotus is pretty fucking fun. just saw in michigan 2 weeks ago for first time what a dance party that was. Still like P grove though

OBPhunkE Wed 4/15/2009 10:29AM
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Yah, seriously pathetic review. No need for the PGroove bashing. On another note. Just saw lotus a couple weeks ago and they ripped it up! They have blown up in the last year. I remember seeing them fill up half the high noon saloon a mere 2 years ago, and now they sold out the majestic in Madtown. I've seen them 5-6 months apart between fall and spring tour and the light show is a completely different element than the last time. They obviously have put some money into this in the last 6 months. They are on the verge. Raging dance party for sure. PGroove is good. Lotus is about to take it to the next level. Some festival should give them a lengthy late night set this summer so they can blow it up for good!

Triggin star Wed 4/15/2009 11:07AM
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why are all you guys wasting your breath. the author is a musician and knows all about great music :LOL: he is the source for all good music, and if he thinks it sucks, its his opinion, we all know that Pgroove can bring down the house. I like lotus a little bit, they are good. don't get your panties in a wad because someone doesn't like your favorite band. if you like them, then just enjoy the music. Sometimes people take their music to seriously and it is supposed to be a fun outlet for all. peath out!

cdt04 Wed 4/15/2009 11:25AM
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personally, I don't care for PGroove either. He described them just as I feel towards them. That doesn't make me a piece of crap for thinking that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I've seen Pgroove about 6 or 7 times and each time Ive walked away with the same thought: generic and boring. Just my opinion.

bigworld Wed 4/15/2009 11:32AM
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I knew this was going to be a shitty review after the first 2 sentences...

onthemoon Wed 4/15/2009 12:17PM
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I love me some LOTUS, they put on a real fun show and are good at what they do. I totally agree with the reviewer about pgroove though.

PERPETUAL GROOVE IS BORING. seriously, generic is probably the best way i can think of to desribe their music. when the highlight of the show is brock trying to rap, gimme a fuckin break already

ilikelivemusic Wed 4/15/2009 01:37PM
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I was at this show, and I agree that Lotus is "exponentially better" everytime I see them, but let me tell you from an honest, dedicated fans opinion, this Lotus show was mediocre at best. They did not bring their usual energy, and it seems like the are relying way too much on the untz these days. Every show I have seen from them before this one has been amazing, but I think they took this two night VT run as a chance to experiment and play a lot of their new stuff. Unfortunately I didn't make it to the 2nd night, but I heard it was a lot better. And p-groove covered Kanye West. Thats funny to me.

different starstarstarstarstar Wed 4/15/2009 01:54PM
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I would have to agree with kevin on this one. I think Lotus is the most amazing band out there right now and they have excelled to my number one favorite band in the scene these days. They have been battling my number one slot with Umphreys for years now. I don't know what everybody sees in the Southern Rock. The P in P-Groove stands for POP.

rulosa01 Wed 4/15/2009 02:52PM
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"Lon Marchand

I love it when people say "I fell asleep during so-and-so's set..."

You think that might be a substance issue rather than a musical one?"

I was completely sober and fell asleep. Sorry your assumption was wrong. Assuming stuff about other people is cool.

WooophishWooo star Wed 4/15/2009 02:57PM
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i was at the show. this review is absolutely terrible. Pgroove ripped it up. saw them in Portland earlier in the week and the higher ground was farrr better. Lotus was good, but this review glorifies them pretty heavily for a fairly standard show. They played well, and it was fun, but my face did not fall off.

i boooooo this review.

merksquad starstarstar Wed 4/15/2009 05:18PM
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This guy wasn't too bad he just wasnt feelin pgroove. I come close to nuttin my pants everytime I see Lotus. Still waitin to catch a pgroove set and I know Ill def be cheesin

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I am tired of Jesse playing that damn keyboard so much, he is better on guitar. sorry if I got the names mixed, but anyway, the lotus album

escaping sargasso sea hooked me, and now the past two lotus shows, instead of lots of guitar, we get one guitar and a lot of mediocre keys.

this is my only bitch about lotus, otherwise, they can really tear it up.

oh and the fans in knoxville for lotus were annoying too. when they left, it was much more pleasant. :P

jahcalling Thu 4/16/2009 08:54AM
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Perpetual Groove is sooooooooooo boring. Seen them 3 times and i hope i never have to again. On the other hand, Lotus shows are always a good time.

karrvingwaves Thu 4/16/2009 10:10AM
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ooooo harsh. PGroove = Weaksauce. Saw these guys at bills bar a few weeks ago and got so bored. the whole show i just kept thinking about how good EOTO is going to be the next night. Lotus is a beast. thank god they got added to ALL GOOD

Adamist Thu 4/16/2009 01:23PM
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This guy sounds like he was tripping balls

ryanh20 Thu 4/16/2009 05:13PM
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you know what makes music so great is that there is lots of diferent types out there and everyone is not going tom like the same stuff. on the other hand this guys slap to the face of an amazingly talented band was completly un called for and honestly just leads me to believe that he is on such a lotus kick right now that he cant hear anything else. I have been that way before. To be completely honest when I hear that someone is opening for pgroove i usually wait to get to the venue a little later. that way i can get what i want to hear. and for those of us who have actually seen pg in the flesh know that they fucking rock. i am of the belief that every time a band takes the stage they should give 110 percent but unfortunatly these guys are human to. so for those of us who have seen amberland and other religous or spiritual experiences (lol) by the badess ass rock band on the planet (pgroove) let the kids from the northeast talk there shit and hope that one day they will learn the meaning of Soul.

bigtimemusicfan starstarstarstarstar Thu 4/16/2009 06:37PM
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This is the first review that I have read on Jambase where the author wasn't just totally fluffing the bands playing!

Thank you so much for your honesty! I quit reading jambase reviews a while ago because they are always so predictable and boring (kind of like pgroove) but it is refreshing to see one that really critiques the music!

Kudos Kevin!!!!!!!!!

bigtimemusicfan starstarstarstarstar Thu 4/16/2009 06:44PM
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If you want to go to the most musically boring experience in the world go to Amberland!

We went last year because a friend kept saying how great Amberland was and Amberland Amberland Amberland Amberland. I went there with 4 other people and we left after one day to go hiking. It was easily the most musically boring event I have ever been to and anyone who has fun at that festival is not a music fan! PG is a band that is smart at marketing itself and has a great manager, but is way too average to be considered a real leader in this scene. YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

esaper starstarstarstarstar Thu 4/16/2009 08:57PM
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man this show sounds awesome. kudos as well!

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Old No. 7

Wow bigtime....well with a name like that you must know what youre talking about(I wish you could hear the sarcasim in the text)

jvan7 star Fri 4/17/2009 12:27PM
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This is the most biased concert review I have read on here. The writer obviously has a personal vendetta against Pgroove and makes that very clear. This website is better than this.

Taylien Fri 4/17/2009 03:10PM
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bigtimemusicfan -- You clearly missed out. Sunday night at Amberland is definitely one of the best sets I've seen by any band.