Old Crow Medicine Show: For The People
By Team JamBase Nov 13, 2008 • 1:11 pm PST

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Secor and his bandmates in OCMS – whose current lineup is Willie Watson (guitar, banjo, vocals), Kevin Hayes (guitjo, vocals), Gil Landry (resonator guitar, guitar, banjo, vocals) and Morgan Jahnig (upright bass) (at the time of writing Critter Fuqua is, according to Secor, “Taking an extended break. The road is not so good to him.”) – create the antithesis of music as pretty product. Rambunctious, slightly chaotic and unapologetically earthy, there’s not much slickness to them, save for a bit of spit and polish. To strive for authenticity, if often helps to get yourself dirty and a little uncomfortable, go without luxury, or even perceived necessity, for a while.
When the band moved to Nashville in October 2000, they left a purposefully simple, rough existence on a mountain outside Boone, North Carolina for another kind of ardor.
“It really was a continuation of what was happening all along,” Secor says. “We always kind of had our sights set on Nashville, the capital of country music. But the kind of life that we moved into was so similar to the one we’d left. We left the sheep and the pig at home but we still had country living, bacon and biscuits for breakfast and beer all day. We were on the fringe. We were all living in this kind of kooky house in this terrible ghetto with a lot of drug deals and prostitution going on outside. So it was a bit of a harsh reality after coming from that idyllic life on the mountain. But the mountain was pretty gritty, too. It might have had some scenic vistas that Nashville ain’t got but it had the same kind of hard edge.”
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“Big country and all, it hasn’t really turned its face to look at us, accept us, take us in. It’s kind of in its own world and we’re in ours. We got in the door at some of those places and we played for all those dudes six years ago, and they didn’t sign us, so we haven’t had to go back. But recently our new album debuted on the country charts at No. 7, and I think that was cause for them to look at us and look at themselves and hopefully ask themselves the question, ‘Who’s playing country music here?’ Is it the boys who came to town in the Cadillac and played the Opry with the banjos and the fiddles and the big dog house bass? Or is it these dudes who have been hanging around the mall for so long that they look like the stores they shop in? They sing songs that sound good to shop, songs that sing well in elevators and parking lots and theme parks. You know, I like country music a whole lot. I love country music, but I just got too turned on by Jerry [Garcia] to give too much credit to country music of the 1990s.”
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Rock and Roll Fantasy, Folk Music Mission
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Although they came to the Henson Recording Studios in Hollywood with songs penned, ready to record, Secor explains that the sound of the album “has a lot to do with Don Was, you know, whereas those records we made with Dave Rawlings were more stripped down, more bare like a Gillian Welch record. That’s an important step we were able to take and I’m really grateful to Dave for that. But in working with Don I think we were able to go a bit more rock & roll and live out more of our Grateful Dead kind of vibe fantasies.”
But this isn’t some abandonment of the “old sounds,” as Secor is quick to point out. “If you come to our shows, you see that we haven’t left anything behind. Rather, we’ve just absorbed more,” Secor says. “We’re a lot more schooled than when we were just getting started. We are still playing so much traditional music. We don’t have drums or organs on the stage like we do on the record.”
“I think we did lose some of the bluegrass conservatism, just like how hot new country was never that accepting of us,” Secor mentions. “I think bluegrass is open to us being part of the crowd. We had the number one bluegrass album for 50 weeks with that last album and this one is holding strong at number one too. But I think, if you like Ralph Stanley, or if you like contemporary bluegrass or you’re really into Blue Highway, or you’re really into The Reno Brothers, you know, there’s a kind of ‘conservatude’ that follows bluegrass music that we are very much not a part of because we are so much wilder and so much wilier. We look like freaks compared to the bluegrass scene. See, there’s country people and there’s bluegrass people, and they’re not often the same. I mean, I like getting down with the good old boys, and I’m grateful that our audiences have them [and] are inclusive of the country boys. So much of the songs that are on the new record are for them. But because we haven’t done it with that bluegrass plaintiveness, we’ve probably lost some of the people that want to hear a great flat pick solo. We’re not going to give that to you.”
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“You really have to walk in the footsteps of the people who make up folk music in order to sing about them, in order to use their bodies as vessels to bring your message across. Authenticity is something that you get through time, through walking down a rocky road, wearing holes in the soles of your shoes. If you walk enough miles and absorb enough of the world around you, then when you go to speak you’ve got something to say that’s bigger than just your body or your mouth or your lexicon. That’s what the music of Old Crow is trying to be, something bigger than just the five of us put together, singing and sawing and banging on the banjo. [We are] trying to disturb the sterility and stir it up.”
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Secor doesn’t necessarily see OCMS as activist musicians, but rather storytellers in the folk tradition.
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He pauses briefly, and then says rather wistfully, “But if it means love, well you’re doing alright. If you can transmit love through music, then that’s what it’s all about.”
Goodness Floats
The band is too recognizable these days to hit the streets like it used to, although, as Secor explains, “Sometimes we still do. It tends to be a little bit more ironic when we do because so many times that we busk people are like, ‘Hey, you’re the Old Crow Medicine Show! I just paid 23 dollars to see you. What does it cost me now?’ So we don’t really do a lot of busking [as a group] but on our own, as individuals, [we do]. I’ve probably played five times on the street corner since 2008 [began]. I like to go back there and get right with the busker gods and make sure I’m still worthy of my spot. I love to see the reactions. Mostly though, people are bored, especially in Nashville. They are here to see country music and then here it is right in front of them and they hold on to their pocket books a little tighter and walk fast.”
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“When people ask, ‘How’d you make it work for you?’ I always tell ’em, ‘You just got to hit the road, just pound the pavement relentlessly. Just go out there and learn, with a kind of journeyman politics [about] being that small level artist on the road.’ You just learn so much from traveling, from playing little gigs, from sleeping in people’s houses, making those kinds of connections. And those are the things that in the end will lead to your success. It’s not about the famous people that you played for, it’s definitely not about the people that your management set up for you to play with [or] the times you played at radio stations or the time you played at Capital Records in the lobby. It ain’t about that. You might have caught a break but the break was a long time coming if you were true.”
“I feel like the goodness tends to float to the surface if it doesn’t snuff itself out first,” he continues. “We were always going to be on the road to some better place, to something big, as long as we didn’t self immolate. And we managed to keep from destructing, which was tested numerous times and is still; you still gotta be wary of it. But bands at the ten-year mark have put a lot behind them just to get that far. Now, it’s not about Americana music, it’s not about bluegrass, it’s not about any of that. It’s about one band that people really dig. For a while, in the beginning, it was all about Bob [Dylan] and Jerry, but after ten years it starts becoming about you, and that’s when that authenticity card really comes in. It’s really important that when it is about you [that] your heart is in the right place.”
Old Crow Medicine Show – “Wagon Wheel”
And for a great version of “Minglewood Blues” from Austin City Limits go here.
Old Crow Medicine Show is on tour now. Dates available here.
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