Radiohead: In Rainbows

By: Kayceman

It's hard to tell what's more enjoyable: Radiohead saying fuck you to the record industry, or the album they did it with.

In Rainbows, Radiohead's seventh full-length, is a breakthrough, a sign of things to come, a must have, legendary. But I'm not even talking about the actual music; we'll get to that soon. I'm talking about the way the band released In Rainbows. You know the deal, anyone who uses a computer knows it. Instead of putting their new album out on a record label, the band just dropped a few notes on the internet telling us they have a new album, it comes out in ten days and you can only get from their website. Oh, and you can pay as little or as much as you want for it.

What?! Are you kidding me? Radiohead has a new album and they are literally giving it away? It's good to be the King. And for once, it's good to be the King's disciples.

News started dripping in from Dead Air Space last January about a new album in the works, then in September they announced recording was finished, but everyone figured we were months and months away from hearing anything. Then, one day while I'm staring off into the deep abyss of my computer the news hits like a bomb. We all figured Radiohead would do something interesting after fulfilling their six-album deal with EMI with 2003's Hail to the Thief, but this is huge, even for Radiohead.

When you are one of the biggest bands on the planet you can afford to do things your own way. The real question is, will other artists follow suit? We're happy to let you know that Oasis, Jamiroquai and The Charlatans are already talking about following this "new-model." This is truly the most exciting part. Radiohead already changed the world: The Bends (1995), OK Computer (1997) and Kid A (2000) rank up there with the greatest, most important three album runs ever, putting them in the same breath as The Beatles (Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band), The Rolling Stones (Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile on Main St.) and Pink Floyd (The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals), but could Radiohead actually evolve from changing the face of music to re-writing the entire business plan? Climbing up that mountain past all those record moguls and label dinosaurs is daunting, but if any artist on the planet can do it, it's probably Radiohead. And the best part is, they aren't even trying to screw the record industry, they're just being who they are (ahhh true revolutionaries), and what they want is to get the music to the people. Guitarist Jonny Greenwood made this clear earlier today when he told the Gothamist that the motivation behind releasing the album like this was "Just getting it out quickly. It was kind of an experiment as well; we were just doing it for ourselves and that was all. People are making a big thing about it being against the industry or trying to change things for people but it's really not what motivated us to do it. It's more about feeling like it was right for us and feeling bored of what we were doing before."

Okay already, Radiohead are great dudes who do things on their own terms, so what about the music on In Rainbows already!?

To be honest, it's a little difficult to say. Another aspect of this "new-model" is that the press didn't receive pre-copies weeks ahead of time like we always do. There was no repeated listening. No time for deconstructing each and every song for nuance. So what we have are first impressions. And upon the first five or so spins, we're off to a damn good start, but my head wasn't blown straight off either (the one bad side to being the best is that expectations are often un-realistic). That said, it's still clearly one of the best albums of the year, and one could truly use extra time when trying to digest music that is this dense, layered and filled with inspiration. Just today Yorke said how "Most great composers rely on folk music. I rely on pop music" and in many ways this sort of experimental, futuristic, emotional elaboration and mystification of pop music is what makes Radiohead so brilliant, and often so hard to clearly see.

What you can't miss however is the way In Rainbows kicks off with the stutter-funk drum beat of "15 Step" and a quick reminder that producer Nigel Godrich is as good as it gets. It's a complex number with shifting tempos, echoed vocals, weird electronics, jazzy guitar, pockets of pulsating bass, children cheering and Yorke sounding as driven and disturbed as ever. "Bodysnatchers" is a bit more straightforward and features lots of Jonny Greenwood's guitar and brother Colin's bass. It even has a somewhat traditional breakdown that devolves into angular guitars and heavy Yorke. Based on the first two songs it appears Radiohead is revisiting that peak period between The Bends and OK Computer.

After the aggressive one-two punch to open the album, "Nude," "Weird Fishes/Arpeggi," and "Faust Arp" showcase the band's brilliant, symphonic arrangements and delicate string details. "All I Need" is slow, heavy and dark, moving through the album like an animal at night.

The record has a definite flow to it and when it gets to "Reckoner" the compositions get simpler, there are less electronics and the sound becomes a bit earthier. Yorke's voice is always filled with knowledge and pain, here his distant falsetto is allowed space to cover you, or float around you like on "House of Cards" where Yorke's reverb-drenched croon evokes the spirit of Jim James.

Some of the greatest albums ever take time to sink in. As I'm writing this, In Rainbows was released less than 24 hours ago. Each time I listen I hear new songs, new sections, new phrases from Yorke that pull me in deeper. This is a serious album by one of the most important bands we have, no matter how hard we try, we won't figure it out in one day, or even one week or one month. I'm not willing to say that In Rainbows is Radiohead's greatest, but I'm also not willing to dismiss the possibility quite yet either.

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thecurtainhasclosed starstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 10:16AM
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thecurtainhasclosed

can't wait to hear it.

emgriffi starstarstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 11:06AM
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Wow, I am extremely excited!!! They never cease to amaze me. Even their boring releases (Amnesiac) are great.

Bill Clifford starstarstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 11:24AM
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Well KC, I've given my burned copy a spin and a half. I aggree, more time to review in detail is needed. But I was able to listen to each track through, without pressing the skip button once. So nothing really turned me off. I like the buisness model, and like that they are allowing fans to choose their own price. I am glad I didn't have to over pay for a download. But at the same time, the quality of the recording is not as good as if bought on a CD. And I do miss having a jacket or sleeve, with pics and lyrics, and a case to keep the CD in. If the babd does issue this as a CD, I will purchase it.

Overall, while I don't think it's their best work, it's not the bands worst either. And I also believe that it's far to early to put this band, any of its CD's, on the same level as the Stones' or the Beatles.

Trojan88 starstarstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 12:27PM
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AFTER LISTING TO THIS ALL LAST NTE ALL I HAVE TO SAY S THAT THIS ALBUM IS INSAINLY UNBILIVABLE. AFTER YOU LISTEN TO THE TRACKS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IT GRABS YOU AND TAKES YOU DEEPER IN TO THE REALITY RADIOHEAD IS TRYIN TO PUT YOU IN.THIS ALBUM WILL GROW ON YOU MORE AND MORE EVERYTIME YOU LISTEN TO IT. BY FAR THIS IS SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL. IF YOU ARE WILLING TO LAY DOWN 80 DOLORS WHICH YOU SHOULD YOU WILL GET THE BOUNUS TRACKS WHIC WILL BRING YOU IN TO A DIFFERNT WORLD. ON THE BOINUS TRACKS THEY WILL SHOW YOUR MIND WHAT RADIOHEEAD IS ABOUT AND WHERE THEY ARE GOIN TO BEGOIN FROM HERE ON OUT. THREW ALL 19 SONGS YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY NOBODY CAN TOUCH OR WILL TUCH RADIOHEAD IN THE PAST DECADE (MABY FARTHER BACK) OR FAR IN TO THE FEAUTRE. THIS IS SIMPLY UNBEIVABLE AND INAINLY BEAUTIFUL.

mojofolk Thu 10/11/2007 12:55PM
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mojofolk

This is an insanely intricate album filled with depth and mystery…

I love the concept of paying what you like… I paid regular CD price, my brother paid a dollar, my friend paid 30$... music for the masses.

Chaloupka starstarstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 12:59PM
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Chaloupka

Bad Ass!

keenan41 starstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 01:31PM
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keenan41

Man, for 10 pence any album is the best album ever. After 2 listens, I thoroughly enjoyed 8 of 10. I'll blow the money on the box set they release since there is another disc of music in that. Is anyone else reminded of Clinic when you listened to this with the dark, moody sounds?

keenan41 starstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 01:32PM
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keenan41

Man, for 10 pence any album is the best album ever. After 2 listens, I thoroughly enjoyed 8 of 10. I'll blow the money on the box set they release since there is another disc of music in that. Is anyone else reminded of Clinic when you listened to this with the dark, moody sounds?

keenan41 starstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 01:33PM
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keenan41

Btw, only kidding about blowing $80(!) on a box set. These guys are good, but not that good. $80 is even pretty steep to see them live.

keenan41 starstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 01:39PM
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keenan41

Btw, only kidding about blowing $80(!) on a box set. These guys are good, but not that good. $80 is even pretty steep to see them live.

aquariumdrunk starstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 02:08PM
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aquariumdrunk

It's a great album, but as a fanboy who has aged with the band, I've learned to temper my excitement to allow an album like this time to soak in...sort of...it's really, really great though. One thing is for certain, I'll be buying the discbox in the next couple of days.

nbailin2 starstarstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 02:14PM
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Great Review Kayce! I live in LA and this album makes LA that much easier to sit in traffic to...really beautiful album.

mikem3289 Thu 10/11/2007 03:55PM
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how the hell do you dl it? i cant find the link on the site. when i go to the preorder download it just gives me details about it.

aquariumdrunk Thu 10/11/2007 04:47PM
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aquariumdrunk

Mike - you just go to www.inrainbows.com, enter the site, click on "pre-order" for the "download," and you'll then get a pop-up saying it was added to your basket, then view your basket, set your price, and go through the billing for check-out.

mikem3289 Thu 10/11/2007 05:04PM
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thanks

shoaf star Thu 10/11/2007 05:04PM
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Colonel Redbeard starstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 07:57PM
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Colonel Redbeard

great writeup ... been listening to it pretty much nonstop since release and it's still growing on me with each (hard disk)spin - not to say that it wasn't phenomenal on first listen ... it was, and is. worth every one of my ten dollars!

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 09:24PM
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Great article, I just listened to it before I went on line. Well, actually , I probably listened to it three times because I kept going back to the track I had just heard until I was dying to move forward. ITS LUSH, Brash and I'm speachless

..... HIGH ART

Good review1 You lucky soul, that must have been a hoot to write.

Did the writers of Jambase have some competition to decide who got the rite of passage?

Andrew Bruss starstarstarstarstar Thu 10/11/2007 11:09PM
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Andrew Bruss

The writer made it pretty clear there was no time to go into it shoaf. No PR copies were released prior to the albums drop so this article was written without any time going into it. I think lacking a depth in understanding behind this albums sound was well ballanced with a review of the "feeling" this album gives you on an early listen.

orgwell starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 02:14AM
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orgwell

keenan41, I'd like to (politely) disagree with you.

--I think approximately $80 is well-worth what may actually be included in this package. Let's break it down: 1) In Rainbows, 2) Bonus disc, 3/4) LP's of both, 5) "Status quo" R.H. artistry. Now, the CD's might normally cost $20-30 for both, and their LP's can average about $25 (due to the band's popularity among record junkies). What's that run? ..About $60-70? Then you have the artistry, which I consider an essential part of their music (can you imagine Dark Side without the prism?). And finally, for we high-quality digital snobs, you get the discs in full-format, instead of mp3 -- that could be worth all $80 to me right there.

--And speaking of $80, I wouldn't be pissed at all to pay that for one of their shows. The question might be, how much would seeing them be worth to you? The two occasions I've been lucky enough to witness, I could've imagined paying about $200 for all of the enjoyment that I got out of the deal (was that not the best part of Bonnie '06?). For last year's U.S. "tour," excepting Bonnaroo they only played 3,000-capacity theaters; kind of tough (i.e., expensive) to get a ticket.

--To sum up, this might be the whole purpose behind the "open-ended"/Discbox release. For those who are not as concerned with the overall package: don't worry about it, here's some cheap tunes. For those who conversely prefer a little bit more than a burned disc: we've got something for you, too -- although it might cost you. You know what, fine. I'm gladly willing to support one of my favorite bands of all time -- especially since they're still putting out music, and this time our money's not just going to some higher-ups.

--Here's to musical, technological, and social Darwinism. ..And to humility (re: J. Greenwood). I hope they know how badass they really are.

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 05:08AM
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orgwell, Agreed, you know that the band is not interested in bling and creates art that will really move music, culture and arts to higher consciousness. I think York would make the best CEO of a new media network, one we could really move our forced support of labels that block artistry and by and large, do not have their finger on the pulse of the underground.

For that reason, I would pay that and more for a box sets of this standard.I say, we should plead wit them to take a strangle hold on what else would and should be done to improve the quality of this industry

superphuzz starstar Fri 10/12/2007 10:01AM
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C'mon now.... I love Radiohead, but comparing The Bends & Kid-A to some of the classics by The Beatles, Floyd, and The Stones? Please. That's just plain ignorant. New album is definitely a keeper, but it's no OK Computer, and doesn't even hold a candle to something like Exile On Main Street, Dark Side Of The Moon, or Abbey Road.

Kayceman Fri 10/12/2007 10:15AM
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Kayceman

Superphuzz, this is always an interesting line of discussion, some folks find it blasphemous to compare anyone to The Beatles, Stones and Floyd - and for good reason, those bands are as good as it gets. However, every generation will have their own bands that rise to the very top of their field, creating art that will transcend all time and place - living on and affecting people long after they stop making music. So my questions is: if Radiohead is not one this generation's most groundbreaking, successful and incredible bands, than who is? Put another way, what band is more important today than Radaiohead?

superphuzz Fri 10/12/2007 11:18AM
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It's not that I'm comparing bands... cause really, that's apples and oranges. I would never compare Radiohead to any other band, nor would I compare ANY of their albums to any other album, cause there is no comparison. The over-eager writers here have done that, and it's certainly not the first time. I am in no way a "Classic Rock" dude, and listen to as many new bands as I do older bands. Yeah, every generation thinks "their" music is the shizzle, but I haven't heard an album as timeless and vital as any mentioned in the review above in many years. In fact, I'd say the last truly "Great" album released was probably the Flaming Lips' "Yoshimi Battles Pink Robots," or I may even go back to Spiritualized's "Ladies & Gentleman We Are Floating In Space." Beck's "Midnite Vultures" is up there too. But I would never compare those artists or their works to The Beatles, Insane Clown Posse, or Hillary Duff. Regarding your question, you can definitely make an argument for, and indeed I doubt I could argue with you that Radiohead is the most important band out there today, creatively or commercially. Does that mean we enshrine them in the same hallowed halls as Pink Floyd or The Stones? And because they may be the most vital band recording today, does that equate their releases with creations like Exile, Dark Side, or Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks"? I guess it comes down to a matter of taste for the most part. I'm sure there are 12 year old girls out there now that will tell you the Hannah Montana soundtrack is the greatest thing ever recorded. Does that make it true? Ultimately time will tell, but it's WAY too early to make those comparisons now. Will Radiohead influence bands for years to come? Absolutely. Will they be as influential as the Beatles? Can't say. Maybe so, maybe not. Personally I doubt it, but I would never be so ignorant to make a blanket statement like that 24 hours after the album is released.

Kayceman Fri 10/12/2007 11:50AM
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Kayceman

Superphuzz: Certainly all valid points, and i hear what you are saying. And the Lips, Spiritualized (to a lesser degree in my opinion) and Beck are all up there in that breath of groundbreaking, important, influential artists, although I see Radiohead's reach high above them all... maybe not too far over Beck, he's leaving a serious mark. Regardless, my point is that (as said) every generation will have bands that are critical to the development of music (rock music in this case) in the way Floyd/Stones/Beatles were. Will Radiohead be bigger than these bands? No, but there will be bands from this era that stick out, that will be lumped with critical artists of the past. We hit the 60s > 70s w/ Beatles, Stones, Floyd (and yes, there are clearly other: Zep, Pfunk, Dylan, Young etc etc...), you can look further back to the 50s and you have Chuck Berry, Elvis and Jerry Lewis, and you go back further to the start of blues and you have Charley Patton, John Lee Hooker and Blind Willie McTell etc. You jump forward to the 80s: The Police, U2, REM come to mind. 90 > 2000s - when we look back, Radiohead will be atop the heap (as will Outkast and others of course). And that's my point, Radiohead is our great band (at least one of them for sure), and when they put out "Bends" "Kid A" and "OK Computer", they changed rock and roll forever, the ripples from those albums are still being felt. Of course we need time for reflection, you don't become a legend until the dust settles, but when that dusty air does land, when we look back in 25 years, I'd be shocked if Radiohead wasn't one if, it not the biggest (meaning influential, successful, important etc) band from this era.

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 11:58AM
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Superfuzz.... Here is the thing, the classic bands you are speaking of changed popular culture and the music industry themselves. I lean towards the side that Radiohead will possibly be as important but agreed, time will tell. To me, Radiohead has returned us to the idea of a total, full and complete piece. Referencing Exile is a good one to the point. Add the way in which this is released without regard to labels and I believe what we will see from the box set (Have not gotten mine) to be as well artistically. This seems to culminate and you have the makings of something that though time will tell, will probably be a true new idea that manifests a slight revolution.

Not to mention, the time when all of those classic bands were doing it was a revolutionary time and pray g-d, we can have just a bit of that cultural shift. On a Sociopolitical end I think we so desperately need it and need has a way of manifesting it. When I first listned that feeling come over me, that I was hearing something timeless. I just played the CD for my 74 year old father who was a beat and knows Jazz like nobody else I know and he was completely moved.... That showed me something.

superphuzz Fri 10/12/2007 12:49PM
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Absolutely, Kayceman. I think we all can agree Radiohead is in all likelyhood one the most influential, if not THE most influential group to come along in the last decade. They've definitely re-written the book on what popular music is, and can be. They've now set their sights on the music industry business as usual, and in fact that may be an even more important legacy than their ouvre. Part of this may in fact be due to the state of popular music right now; what other bands can you think of that are really all that original and influential? Outkast? Um... is anyone still listening to them? I will offer up that the Beastie Boys' "Paul's Boutique" is 100 times more creative and influential than anything Outkast did. Another factor to consider is mass appeal; the Beatles, Stones, Elvis, even U2 and The Police all hit a nerve with an incredibly large percentage of the human population. You'll find an incredibly vast array of people, from Jazzbos to punk rockers, from R & B heads to jam band kids, from bluegrass to Top 40 listeners who can all agree that the Rolling Stones were amazing. Think that Radiohead will appeal to that kind of a spectrum? Do you think we'll see "A Bluegrass tribute to Radiohead?" I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm, I just don't want anyone to get too carried away! And lastly, I'll politely disagree on your assessment of Spiritualized, and will also include Spaceman 3 in there too, but again personal taste. I think S3 was incredibly influential on a large number of 90's bands, perhaps even as much as Sonic Youth or Nirvana were. Then again, you know what they say about opinions and assholes.... everybody's got one.

Thanks for the discussion! No disrespect to anybody. In Rainbows IS great! Hail Hail Rock and Roll!

Kayceman Fri 10/12/2007 01:21PM
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Kayceman

Isn't it nice when folks can actually discuss things, and even disagree, like adults.

aquariumdrunk Fri 10/12/2007 01:23PM
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You guys bring up some good points, but the one you've both touched briefly on and haven't run with, is the fact that there really isn't room for rock experimentation to break through commercially in the same way the Beatles, the Stones, the Floyds, and similar acts were able to. Yeah, Radiohead, Beck, and the FLips sell many more records than their peers who might make similar music -- they carry the commercial torch, if you will -- but there's still no exposure available for acts like this. That's part of what makes Radiohead's move with the release so fascinating. These revolutionary methods of release from the most critically acclaimed band in the world, along with the success of satellite radio, and digital music sales in general, are the things that will ultimately break the back of "THE INDUSTRY" as a whole, possibly, allowing some diversity and experimentation back into major music sales.

Sound crazy? Yeah, I suppose, but it's happening.

welting starstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 02:35PM
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welting

The album is very strong. I had a very powerful experience last night driving home through the rain, puffing a spliff or two, and listening to it. Musically it's stripped down a lot more than any of their other albums, but it still has that complex, multi faceted sound that makes Radiohead one of the most interesting bands in recent history. I'm not big on Hail to The Theif, so I was a bit apprehensive, but I wasn't going to turn down a 3 dollar album.

MaseBase starstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 02:48PM
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This album is definitely pretty sick. I think some of their past discs were overall more breakthrough, but this is still very strong.

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 03:02PM
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Now, Now, Kayceman LOL!

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 03:15PM
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superphuzz.... I think the point about Outcast is the influence they have had on popular music which may have dispersed but is imbedded in any other groups presently due to the fact that they have not put out anything recently but that is a wait and see. All the groups mentioned have displayed an uncanny ability to re-invent their sound and invigorate the musical language. I appreciated the reference

superphuzz Fri 10/12/2007 03:43PM
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Ned8... Really? They have? What new ground has Outkast trailblazed that wasn't already thoroughly paved by the Beasties, Arrested Development, De La Soul and others of that ilk? Flash in the pan if you ask me. My point was that in this post-modern-modern age, it's very hard to do something that hasn't been done, or to not wear your influences on your sleeve. Paul's Boutique still sits in my regular rotation. So does OK Computer and Sticky Fingers. Speakerboxxx/The Love Below? Listened to it for about two months, and haven't picked it up since. They may have invigorated the bland corporate music landscape that was the early 2000's, but looking at it now, it's hardly timeless or anything soul stirring.

21mmer starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 04:19PM
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21mmer

it is so nice to finally read a comment-thread that doesn't devolve into personal bickering and sophomoric attacks. perhaps we could strive for more of this in the future. thank you to everyone for your well thought-out and appropriately delivered critiques and arguments.

oh yea....i'm looking forward to checking this album out.

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/12/2007 04:49PM
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Something tells me you have not listened to all their work.Maybe you should. I think they are working on a different tip. Yes, bringing along the forebearers but still, fresh direction . Check some more then just the stuff that was heavy radio play... let me know your thoughts after listening

Kayceman Fri 10/12/2007 05:51PM
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Kayceman

In regards to Outkast, they put Southern Hip-Hop on the map. While I agree the Beastie Boys were huge, we're talking two different forms of music. Beasties forged rap-rock, they showed white Jewish kids could do it. Outkast is about as slick and thought provoking as any hip-hop artists ever. There are tons of other emcees that were perhaps more influential in the hip-hop world, but Outkast brought that shit to the mainstream. Their first single "Player's Ball" went to #1 on the Rap Charts, from their they went platinum many times over and became superstars. They dropped the ego-filled, aggressive vibe and dug deep into incredibly intricate beats and lyrics, creating positive songs. "Speakerboxxx" was awesome (it was the 65th best selling album ever – I think that's where it landed), but if you want to check out how over-the-top Outkast is, look again at a three album run: "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik," "ATLiens" and my favorite rap album of all time (well, at least for today) 1998's "Aquemini." Spend a week w/ "Aquemini" and it's hard to not see their genius. And yes, I do think they will go down as absolutely huge.

powderprophet Fri 10/12/2007 10:13PM
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I agree, Outkast was absolutely huge. And I don't think there has been commercial hip-hop of that caliber since Speakerboxx/Love Below. I completely understand the comparison and why they have been thrown into this same pot. And I think it's also applicable to Radiohead. While I don't think of them musically, socially, or commercially akin to the Beatles/Stones/Floyd, the comparison comes when you step back. You realize that all these amazing albums (sgt. papper, dark side, OK computer, Paul's, and many many others, like Aomoxamoxa, Highway 51, Junta, Bitches Brew, the list goes on and on), when the dust had finally cleared, had deeply and intrinsically changed what it meant to make music. I know I'm going to draw fire for adding more albums to the comparison-game, but my point is that its not the popularity, or the musicality, or the social-power that is similar; it is the profound effect that was felt down to the very roots of Music and musical structure. We can all agree, whether or not we want to compare the bands, that these albums were revolutionary. Will In Rainbows be looked back on in the same light? I don't know, I've only listened once. But I do know one thing, I'm putting on the head phones right now and giving it another shot!

curtbraski star Sat 10/13/2007 12:32AM
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curtbraski

"The infrastructure will collapse" Thom is right. The music industry (in regards to record companies and all the bullshit they entail) are fucked. They are prehistoric dinosaurs. Music in its, decibels it produces alone, are worth what the consumer is willing to give the artist if they don't feel like hearing it from a friend (downloading it) what many would consider stealing it. This is why record companies are so pissed off. All the bullshit they have released in the past 2 decades is worth nothing because there is no substance at all to this product. That is why they are sueing people hundreds of throusands of dollars for sharing their music. Guess what MAJORS YAWl FUCKED! Any band who wants to succeed nowadays and in the next coming year will realize this. There is no point listening to bands on major labels in the next year. They are fucked. Completely fucked fucked fucked. Dont let them lie to you and convince you this is a bad thing however. It is the greatest thing to ever have happen to the music industry. Instead of having a 55 year old man delegating what the artists transfer to their fans, we are going to see an intimate relationship from artist to fan which will, in my beliefs bring music to a level that has been incapable in the past. An album is not worth over 10 dollars. Anyone who has taken a business class can realize this. However the tangible product that can be produced in live performance and aescethically pleasing and intricate LP layout you can put a price on. To get to RADIOHEAD... Thank you... This is not your greatest work or your worst.... However it is absolutely fabulous. Everything you have put out has been fantastic. This album was created for a reason. Have you all negelected the fact that it is called IN RAINBOWS... chew on that for a while... It couldnt have been better or worse rad heads... thank you for giving me hope about an artform that has been so brutally been corrupted by everyone from mafia members to people who debate the incredible work you have produced... "forget about your house of cards" motha fuckas they all will fall....ps jigsaw falling into place... body snatchers...weird fishes... and house of cards blow me away.... try to listen to them on something besides the ipod of imac your parents bought you and a real stereo system... word .... word im drunk and out....

cuttyfives Sat 10/13/2007 09:22AM
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outkast is absolutely sick. all their albums are dope. they are still doin shiet. superphuzz, pauls boutique is good, but you have the Beasties pegged WAY to high. Pauls Boutique 100% more creative than OUtkast? you have no clue what makes hiphop creative. Beasties are overrated IMO, and get a lot of attention b/c they are white. they really didnt do anything except pave the way for other nerdy white rappers. The production done by OUtkast is 1000X better than beasties. I like beasties for their lyrics not production. Outkast has some of the best production hands down, ever. and umphreys sucks. late.

superphuzz Sat 10/13/2007 10:04AM
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Well, fair enough, cuttyfives. I'll admit I'm not the most qualified to diatribe on hip hop; personally I think it's a form that needs an influx of creativity, and it just doesn't rock my boat the way jazz and rock does. Growing up in Reagan's & Bush the first's white suburban American dystopian nightmare, the Beastie's most likely struck a chord with me that the dirty South never could. Again, it comes back to personal taste. How anyone can enjoy Umphrey's or Bisco boggles my mind as well, but I won't put those people down for it. Now if you start grouping them in with The Stones and the Dead, we may have an issue.... :-)

Hey, how 'bout that new Radiohead!

Andrew Bruss starstarstarstarstar Sat 10/13/2007 12:23PM
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First off, as stated above, i give this review a solid 5 stars. Second off, I just love how on this website, people can go frmo debating the pro's and con's of In Rainbows, and after a few posts find ourselves debating the brilliance of Outkast. I'll deffinitly check out ATLiens. ROCK ON JAMBASERS!!!!!!

spun'dun'git'r Sun 10/14/2007 10:37PM
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Since Wednesday, October 10th 2007, a truly great day in music history. I've been listening to this record non-stop. It just seems impossible to move on, and it'll be a while until that possibility arrives. Furthermore, there's still another disc to look forward to. Radiohead is one of those bands that is always finding a new niche to creep into. Pablo Honey was grungy and poppy, The Bends was similar, but a little more experimental and more rock and roll. OK Computer was a creative masterpiece, exploring so many new worlds. Kid A and Amnesiac were more abstract, electronic works. Hail to the Theif was darker, still with heavy electronic influence but once again very rock and roll. This album is less electronic, and I think they were going for it to sound very pretty, and that it does. Each track beautfully written and performed, and they haven't seemed to get old yet after heavy continual listening for me and I'd say 90% of my peers who own it. Will Radiohead ever start slacking off? No, I doubt it.

kirkbrew starstarstarstarstar Mon 10/15/2007 03:35PM
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keenan41 – It isn’t $80, it is 40GBP. For many reasons, the US dollar is very weak now (making imports more expensive while making US manufactured products more competitive overseas). For the last 15 years, you would see a $/GBP between $1.5 to $1.7. Now it is over $2.00 which is a first since 1980 (though it got up there in the in 90/91). So basically, over 30% of that price is exchange rate. Sorry for the dissertation, but I deal with this all the time and importing equipment from Europe has been expensive for us.

Superphuzz – I’d never put the Stones in the same category as Beatles, Floyd or Radiohead. I like The Stones and feel that they were influential, but they were never the most original band. Also, I think that there is a lot to say about knowing when to pack it in. I think that Steel Wheels was that time.

As for the word “influential”, that gets thrown about too much. You never know till 20 years after the fact to see what really impacted people.

Still pissed the downloads are only at 160kbps. I paid $10 and all I get is 160kbps?!?!? Then again, I got all their other stuff for free, so this was my way to make up.

kirkbrew Mon 10/15/2007 04:19PM
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kirkbrew

Just thinking about it, my above comments on exchange rate only applies if they press in the UK. From a business standpoint, that is kind of stupid. First, a majority of their sales will be outside the UK to Europe (who trades in the Euro and not GBP) and US. Second, you incur high transport costs to the US (probably the biggest market). Considering the relative weakness of the USD, manufacturing in the US and exporting to UK and Euro countries would be much more cost effective.

Maybe they did it because “Radiohead Ltd” is a UK company? That too would be a bad call to since the UK has a relatively high corporate tax rate. I wonder if all those downloads go to a GBP bank account, a USD bank account or both? Possibly going to both to diversify income and avoid fluctuations in exchange rates.

Then – what percentage of sales is downloads and what percentage is box sets and what are the margins on each??? I reckon the margin on downloads can only be figured after a few weeks when they see what the average sales price is. That is the revolutionary part of this. You make a product and distribute it at a fixed cost then cover that cost and take income at a variable sale price.

Finally, what percentage of their income is records compared to tour/merchandise etc… All very interesting questions. Well, at least to me.

Still think the download could have been 320VBR!

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Mon 10/15/2007 05:42PM
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Now, Kaycman, this board is unparalleled in Jambase history no? Give Kirkbrew some free tickets to the show of his choice or at least a jambase key chain. I'm freaking blown away, first we went of into the nebulous of influential counterparts in music and now kirkbrew opens the dissertation into the exchange rate and how monetarily successful the band will be by self-Enterprise in England or America. Bravo... Hey, this did not happen when we dished about the slip. LOL

Mule86 Mon 10/15/2007 09:03PM
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Radiohead is sick...this album is a new masterpiece and comparing any radiohead album is silly to me...the point is to redefine yourself every album... Yorke takes the same approach to music as Miles Davis...experimentation...I think he does a fine job at this...the concept is to listen with an open mind and embrace the new differences...maybe im an idiot and only pointing out the obvious, but its simple...music is ambrosia for the soul.

gmoo Tue 10/16/2007 10:12AM
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gmoo

Ok computer was a really good album I can agree with that.

superphuzz Tue 10/16/2007 10:24AM
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So.... after several more listens to In Rainbows, I gotta say folks; nothing all that special. Again, it all comes down to personal taste, as per my above comments, but really, nothing on this release has grabbed me. I pulled out The Bends, Ok Computer, Kid-A, Amnesiac, & Hail to the Thief, gave 'em a good listen again,and this doesn't even come close. Masterpiece? I think some of these folks need to listen to a real masterpiece and re-adjust your definition of that word. You're throwing it around WAY too easily. It may look like a masterpiece when laid next to the new Kanye or the new Smashing Pumpkins mess, but hardly a masterpiece. I know you desperately want a new masterpiece, but Thom & Johnny didn't deliver it here.

And kirkbrew; no, the Stones were not the most original band. Just the best rock and roll band ever. Hands down. Definitely not the most experimental, or influential, or even the most creative. So, I'm grouping them in with other true masters; again not comparing bands at all (see previous comments re: comparing apples and oranges). As far as knowing when to pack it in, would you tell BB King to "pack it in?" Toots and the Maytalls? Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how they're too old? I agree with you that the Stone's studio releases post "Some Girls" were but a shadow of what came before (Hmmm... kinda like "Hail" and "In Rainbows!"), but they still kick ass on stage, and obviously somebody wants to go see them! Who was the top grossing act this year? And yes, you can argue that at 100 to 500 dollars a ticket that is going to inflate your profit immensely, but as you are fond of pointing to economic indicators, there's a market out there for it! If no one was willing to pay those prices, then they wouldn't be charging those prices, and would probably be playing summer sheds instead of stadiums. Don't like the Stones' new releases? Don't buy them. But when I saw the Stones on the 40 Licks tour, fall of 2002, they played louder, faster and with more emotion and gusto than any other show I saw that year.

But back to Radiohead, they are a band; it's not just Yorke pulling the strings, and he's no Miles. Heck, you can make a case that Johnny Greenwood is as creative as Yorke is. But from where I stand, the new album is about on par with "The Eraser."

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Tue 10/16/2007 03:13PM
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Superfuzz, what is a mater piece to you? Lets judge t to these, however, respectfully, this new as opposed to you being told Sargent Peppers is a Masterpiece or Dark Side of the moon or Vedon Fleece (Van Morrison ; I think it better then Astral Weeks){These were albums brought up earlier by other posters}. I'm interested; I guess my point is that a first listen critique can profess it but the art world establishes it over time, though I think it as good on many levels as their other releases and I found it natural and unforced perhaps due to the time they took to do it with no record company looking over their shoulder.

cuttyfives Tue 10/16/2007 04:42PM
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supephuzz, the new kayne is Great. please dont bash something because hippies have disdain for anything pop or corporate. If you give the new Ye a spin, I am sure you will find some stellar beats and solid lyrics.

zzdowz Tue 10/16/2007 09:26PM
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zzdowz

I've always had an appreaciation for Radiohead. This album is not my favorite by the band but it is a fairly solid album. It's pretty cool the band would let the listener choose the price, just curious what did you guys pay? Personally I chose $0.00. Hey there already loaded.

kirkbrew starstarstarstarstar Wed 10/17/2007 04:24PM
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Superphuzz – Not trying to pick a fight. I love the Stones (till Tattoo You). Seriously really dig the band. I just don’t think that they are all many crack them up to be. Just because the Stones sell, that don’t mean they are any good. Lots of boomers dole out lots of jack for crap. Madonna sells her stale-old-sex-act day in day out. So what?

Hey – If society lasts past 2012, we’ll see how great the likes of the Stones are in 50 years : ) Like I said, that is the REAL test! Doubt I’ll be around.

As for “best R+R band ever”, I go with The Who. Quadraphenia beats Exile, Let It Bleed and Beggers combined! “Out of my brain on the 5:15 – na, na, na, na ,na!” A unique blend of originality, teen angst, cerebral art and below-the-belt R+R! But I digress…

Back to Rainbows. I do agree with you that this is no “masterpiece”. Good album, but after 4 listens, nothing to giz over (4 more listens than the Pumpkins deserved). I’ll still give it 10 to 20 more listens, but it’s no Rubber Soul, One Nation Under a Groove or even Exile. Not in a long shot. Hey – If I’m kickin in 50, let’s revisit!

I would LOVE if someone from Kellogg or Harvard (better yet, Krannert – go Boilers!) would do a case study on this business model. The more I think about it, the more I love it. Who can disagree. If you do, let’s duke it out. Better yet, a deual!!!

Wish I was working on my MBA (not really). If I was, this would be my case study (that or BC bud). Such a GREAT idea. They have done this perfectly – except for the FUCKING 160Kbps. Have I bitched enough about that? I would not have laid down $10 for that. $5 maybe, not $10. Yea – I can hear you guys saying “Sucker”.

kirkbrew Wed 10/17/2007 04:41PM
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Oh - Just caught the Miles Davis comparison - Wow. You nailed it that Radiohead did a “fine job”, but you do a disservice to Mr Davis by the comparison. Truly laughable. Mule, I’m not trying to ignominies you, but you really need a lesson in music history. You are listening back with modern ears and have no idea how far ahead Miles was. Imagine being in 1949 and hearing Birth of Cool (when Frankie Layne ruled the charts). Or 1959 and Sketches of Spain, 1967 Nefertiti, or 1969 Bitches or 1972 and On the Corner. I like Rainbows, but I have heard it all before. That can not be said of the Miles catalog. Not in the same area code or even on the same planet!

Ned8 starstarstarstarstar Wed 10/17/2007 06:45PM
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Aside from maybe a sonic nod to Bitches, I personally did not even view this album with Miles or comparing or making allusions to Miles. I really just ignored that one but there are some fantastic songs and unbelievable time signatures. I'm one for hybrid textures and innovative songwriting and it certainly exists on this album. I liked Greenwood venturing into the jazz / fusion chops that he did in certain places. Yes, we all have a long thesaurus we can now bring up I'm sure, but I'm enjoying the art so unless someone brings up Crimson and starts to discuss odd time and making it move with fluidity within the song structure the way I'm feeling it on this recording then we're moving in a direction that could get argumentative.... Its been a pleasure though; I'm out, this has been an expounding, pronounced board {Peace}

leomanxvii Fri 10/19/2007 01:54PM
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Is "all I need" track 5.. actually a bass sample from boards of canada's "roygbiv" Awfully familiar!

jesposito starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/19/2007 04:22PM
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In Rainbows is absolutely incredible. I've probably listened to it over 50 times already and i love it more and more each time. If it wasn't love at first, um, listen, keep listening to it...it grows on you big time! I think its destined to become a classic. Johnny Greenwood's guitar playing is superb- i think it makes the album, personally. Radiohead are such innovators- from the screwing of the record company and letting fans set their own price to every last chord on the album...they've done it again! they are still at the top of their game forever and always- the best there is. can't wait for the tour! CONGRATS TO RADIOHEAD!

jesposito starstarstarstarstar Fri 10/19/2007 04:36PM
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jesposito

In Rainbows is absolutely incredible. I've probably listened to it over 50 times already and i love it more and more each time. If it wasn't love at first, um, listen, keep listening to it...it grows on you big time! I think its destined to become a classic. Johnny Greenwood's guitar playing is superb- i think it makes the album, personally. Radiohead are such innovators- from the screwing of the record company and letting fans set their own price to every last chord on the album...they've done it again! they are still at the top of their game forever and always- the best there is. can't wait for the tour! CONGRATS TO RADIOHEAD!

kcPHisher Fri 10/19/2007 06:49PM
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kcPHisher

If you are listing the greatest, most important three studio album runs ever, how about Tommy, Who's Next, and Quadrophenia; not including their 1970 releases Live at Leeds or MBB&B which aren't to shabby either.