ZAPPA PLAYS ZAPPA TOUR

I hate that the zappas wont let bands cover any of Frank's songs....thats bullshit.

Really, I heard a recording of Groovatron doing "Joe's Garage" at wakarusa a couple years ago. That is some serious bullshit if that is true.

uh...where's the colorado date???

Raq plays a killer "Trouble Everyday." I'm not sure about the legitimacy of your claim Makisupa. Got any evidence?

Well the fact that raq dosen't want to let the tape from ft. collinsn 3/18/07 out
because of the gail zappa issue BTW raq 1st set was all zappa (retired the tunes I think) they ask the one taper no to let it out!

It is an unfortunate situation for us, the audience. Bisco, Raq, Phish and UM (among others) all have some top-notch live covers but Gail seems to want to stifle it. For many, it's the love for and covering of Zappa by these modern day bands that introduces his music to new generations. I see her point, but it's disappointing too.

Gail Zappa Quote, Relix Magazine April/May 2006 on the topic of bands covering Frank's tunes:

"One thing you fight for as an artist is that you get paid for your work. Here's the way I look at it. They're playing Franks music and I'm not getting paid. Frank did not write it for them to play without paying him, so they sure as fuck should have payed me. It's small money to perform it, cents on a dollar. That's what I don't understand. Why wouldn't they want to do right by the artist? What do they write music for? Do they buy groceries for their kids? Well, so did Frank Zappa."

what's the gail zappa issue? i'm really curious (and really skeptical) about the zappas prohibiting covers. the very idea is interesting because, well, it's a sort of censorship, and frank hated censorship! if it's true, please give more info/sources please. and, if it is true, from what date did it take effect? i can't recall the last time i heard yonder play "i am the slime," and obviously it's been at least 2 3/4's years since phish played "peaches en regalia", but i know that it hasn't been too very long since i heard a well known band play zappa.

thanks for the clarification flyingbird 73. your message wasn't posted before i wrote and sent mine, so now i get it all a little better. Gail Zappa wants the royalties, not to outright prohibit Zappa covers.

and, whether ya think that's right or wrong, it is her call to make

Ok my thoughts about Gail and Frank's music is that Frank himself covered a lot of tunes himself like for example, ring of fire, whipping post, stairway to heaven and did Frank pay those bands to use their songs? I love Franks music and i love what Zappa plays Zappa is doin. I can't wait for the Hampton and Boston shows.

magickbroker your knowledge of RAQ impresses me! RAQ rocks!

RAQ also plays a sick cover of "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama"...which I believe is on archives.org. Widespread Panic played a nasty "Joe's Garage" Halloween '01 (which can be found on nugs.net), but I have heard that they got sued over it...which is pretty shitty if that's true.

Its one thing to record it and sell it on an album.. but at a show? People are already there! And as for tapers? Bands dont make money off of their shows being given away for free..

RAQ - 3.18.07 - Aggie Theater - Fort Collins, CO
set 1
I Am The Slime*
Echidna's Arf (Of You)->*
Andy*
Carolina Hardcore Ecstasy*
More Trouble Everday*
Dirty Love*
Son of Mr. Green Genes*
My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama*
Whipping Post^**

Set II
intro
Hitchhiker->
Hannah#->
Hitchhiker->
One Of These Days$
Bootch Magoo

Encore:
The Down Low%
Forget Me Not
All Day And All Of The Night@
Hitchhiker

* Frank Zappa version
^ Allman Brothers Band
** Frank Zappa version
# Legato
$ w/ Whole Lot Of Love tease
% Bluegrass version
@The Kinks
hopefully we'll all see a copy someday

No Oregon love - Weak Sauce....

I got tickets for Cincinnati!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, young grass hoppa the estate of zappa aka his wife despises bands covering his songs but what the hell is she gonna do about!!!!

Man, so no Napolean Murphy Brock and no Steve Vai on this tour? Ray White is good and all, but NMB and SV are the rage!
Well, I'll be in Ashevegas, maybe they will have some special guests tba...

as far as not being allowed to cover Zappa, I saw Umphrey's Mcgee cover "City Of Tiny Lights" w/ special guest Ray White, Skyline '05, day 2.

the only time you can copyright live music is when you try to sell it on a cd. do you think phish had to pay the beatles when they performed the white album? i doubt it, but then again they'll never put it up for sale.

I'm going to Hampton and maybe Boston. Napolean Murphy Brock is listed to play at the NH show. And what about Project Object - they were a Zappa cover band even though they had some of the original members.

cliftonhanger...Phish already has officially released the Beatles White album via the LivePhish series. I'm sure they pay royalties to the Beatles (or probably Michael Jackson...last time I checked he was the legal owner of all of the Beatles songs).

Umphrey's covered Dirty Love in Atlanta last fall...Don't know how true all of this. I have a recording of it as well..

I am sick of hearing people complaining if a band doesn't come your way. I live in Montana and we have shows once every few months. So stop bitching and go on a road trip.

I think the bottom line is that those who play Zappa live have to fly under the radar. I heard rumors that that's why Phish stopped playing Peaches en Regalia, they got too big. I really don't understand how Project/Object gets away with doing whole tours of Zappa shows. I know that they have a poor relationship with Gail Zappa(controller of the Zappa Family Trust Fund). Gail is a notorious bitch.

P.S. Project Object consistently has 2 or 3 original members on stage at any given show. IS THIS THE BEST BAND YOU COULD GET TOGETHER, DWEEZIL? Sorry, but i'd take Napolean Murphy Broc or Ike Willis over Ray White any day.

That Gail interview really downed my perspective of her when I read it. You would think she would promote all the bands that honor her late husband in this time period. With mainstream music pushing farther and farther away from actual talented musicianship, I consider all of us blessed to hear Frank's songs in any medium (ie; Zappa Plays Zappa, Project Object, Phish, etc.). I have most of FZ's collection, and look forward to new releases as well. The promotion of his music is healthy and inspiring, but the way Gail came across was damn selfish in her tirade. I don't see her promoting Franks's music with any success. Sure, they'll release a never-before-heard vault recording every once and a while, but the only ones buying are old fans, not new ones. Not that many of the younger generations are going to go see ZPZ, once again it's more old school. I find Gail irrational in her argument. She could make more of her precious "money" if she let go of the live covers! I understand getting paid for a cover on a studio or live release, but c'mon, how can anybody that was married to one of the geniuses of our time not see the grassroots potential? Well, they do say money talks...

Now for the kudos; Dweezil is making Daddy proud. Reeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaal fucking proud. Greatest show I saw last year was Zappa Plays Zappa in Grand Prairie, Texas. His guitar playing had elevated miles above what I last heard him play. The band is sooooo tight! The guest stars were perfect. I couldn't be more grateful to Dweezil for putting all the hard work into making the show top-notch! If you love Zappa's music, don't miss this show. Oh, and I hope some more dates are added for the fall/winter!

Anyone ever hear of BMI,Broadcast Music Inc. This is the main organization that represents some 300,000 songwriters and is responsible for collecting royalties from radio stations and live music venues,to be distributed to the artists.In theory,if you're contracted with them,you should recieve some royalty,however minscule,every time your song is played on the radio,or performed live.It's a complicated system,but it's there for any songwriter,or owner of song rights to make use of,so please don't complain about not getting money your entitled to. Frank had to pay these fee's every time he perfoemed a cover,also.

yea, what Kwatto said ! this is no cover band, Dweez has plenty of his own stuff to, I am personaly hyped for the show at the 10klf! and lets hear it for the Illinois enima bandit!

See you freaks at the Asheville show.

Gail Zappa sounds like a raging, gold-digging c^nt.

The last tour had a N.O. stop that was quite impressive. Closest show's in Asheville, so the road's looking my way.

"Keep it greasy...so it'll go down easy"

Wow, finally an interesting discussion... Instead of worthless bickering!

people are paying the venues money to see the show, so if a band plays someone elses song, they are making money off of it.

that is why all venues are supposed to pay money to the artists who songs are being covered.

i saw the Seattle show and it was amazing. being a longtime zappa fan and being able to have his music accessible is the main point. everyone will get two phat sets of Zappa music. let's stay on topic here, it's about zappa's music, not gail. Dweezil has put a lot of heart and soul into this huge undertaking. It has taken him years to learn the songs and play with such care. it is a way to honor his dad and share the music with adoring fans and new ones alike. its obvious he misses his dad greatly and this is a way he can reconnect with Frank. we should support him in this experience. steve vai and napoleon murphy brock were amazing on this past tour. granted i am sad that ike willis isn't in the mix, people, keep the faith as Dweezil's own guitar playing has stepped it up many notches. all of you that are quick to comment that it doesn't have this or that while they haven't seen shows on this tour will not be able to comment about the other non-zappa band players that are absolutely stellar. if you haven't seen this tour don't be so quick to bash and comment on what you haven't seen or heard.

take Sheila Gonzales....this woman plays the sax and was absolutely astounding...she had some hardcore solos at the show that were perfect...you will hear them if you buy the upcoming DVD. Dweezil's solos were out of this universe. I suggest that you just go with an open heart and no expectations and i promise you it will be the best show you see all year. these are shows that are worth getting on an airplane to see. let's support Dweezil on this tour, as he is bringing some of the most important music ever played in our lifetimes accessible to younger audiences. as another has commented, the band is staying very tight and true to Frank. Any Zappa fan will love the show.

yee-ha looks like i will check 'em out in baltimore @ rams head live , noticed 2 levels of ticket prices for that show? i have never seen that at a show at this location before. i wonder if the more expensive tix are on the balcony? its always GA on the floor - they wouldn't actually setup chairs would they???

makisupa-- widespread panic did joes garage halloween 2001 and thats in circulation

whoops- phisherman beat me to the punch on that one

THey got sued? thats fuckin lame!

>>>>take Sheila Gonzales....this woman plays the sax and

the keyboards at the same time,
did i say here boob's bounced around as well!

Umphrey's has just released 9/4/05 Chicago, which has City of Tiny Lights in the second set & 12/3/05 Seattle, which has Dirty Love in the second set. Both are for download on their site.

KIZZY1, the show is set up contemporary style, i saw the Vegas show last year at HOB, G.A. was around the bar, the floor was folding chairs, the balcony obviously seats. spend the extra money for the floor seat you won't be disapointed

got second row again at HOB vegas this year, counting down the days til 8-18, got The Police and Roger Waters this weekend at MGM, but ZPZ is the highlite of my year

Bands can cover Zappa's music, Gail is just being a little greedy. All Frank asked is that no band cover certain songs such as Watermelon is Easter Hay off Joe's Garage. I heard this actually was the reason for Phish not playing Joe's Garage in 95 on halloween.

"Bands can cover Zappa's music, Gail is just being a little greedy. All Frank asked is that no band cover certain songs such as Watermelon is Easter Hay off Joe's Garage. I heard this actually was the reason for Phish not playing Joe's Garage in 95 on halloween."

It is my understanding Frank said that he did not want anyone other than Dweezil to ever play that song.

franks wishes are cool. my question is does zappa plays zappa do justice to the music? who has seen them???/