Damn! it looks like the nice long post of mine just got lost in cyber space. In a nutshell here's what it said.
The "suck" comment was inspired by the recent display of garbage in the Bisco threads. Immature of me, I know.
My stance on Bisco bringing nothing new to the table is formulated by my experience with shows that I attended between 99 and 01. I specifically remember 3-23-01 as a extremely intense show.
The juxtaposition of organic and electronic mixed with the odd ball lyrics and complicated time signatures made Bisco a really innovative act. Out of the few encounters I've had with Bisco lately, there seems to be a lack of momentum in regards to pushing boundaries and bringing us something new and fresh.
I definitely don't think the disco Biscuits are irrelevant or not entertaining. I just see their style of improv has turned into a generic blueprint of noodling synth melody over a back beat of electronic dance music. Unpredictable, in a sense, yes, something new and Innovative, not so much.
As for an example of a favorite band of mine bringing something new to the table, I could give you dozens of examples. Nels Cline singers, The mentones, Ninja Academy, Good For Cows, Alex Clines band of the moment, Banyan, JFJO, Kris Tyner, Subtle, 13 and God, Yeasayer, I could go on and on with bands who are continuing to bring something new and innovative to us.
But I'll use Phish for a specific Example. The progression of Phish's improvisational prowess is really easy to identify. From the monster funk jams of the late 90's to the atonal ambience of the early 00's. The examples of their innovativeness are many.
I saw Phish a number of times before the "break up". They really got stale at the end. So after hearing the Hampton reunion shows (which didn't really bring much to the table at all) I thought I'd give them a try. 8-04-09 had a three minute section at towards the end of "chalkdust" that renewed my faith in their ability to be a breath of fresh air in the improvisational rock world. That three minutes of amorphous, dark, angular music had a sense of urgency to it. Phish knows that these boundaries need to be pushed. The jam during "light" that was accompanied by the "balloon wall" at 8 is another example of Phish bringing something new to the table.
I'm very passionate about audio art. I just don't like seeing bands that come on to the scene as a real innovative band eventually start resting on their laurels. And it's my opinion, but I see the Disco Biscuits doing just that. I was listening to "uncivilized area" and "the wind at for to fly" today and it reenforces my opinion.