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Why do people sell out there freedoms??
dweniger
dweniger
11/4/2008 02:54 PM

As a libertarian this election is not a day of hope or optimism but a day where im watching other people sell out my personal freedoms for their own selfishness or greed.

This is not what America is supposed to be like. Why should I be forced into a failed retirement system, forced into sending my children to public schools, forced to pay for a war with no benefit for America, forced to pay for a bailout, and the list goes on and on.

Just wondering why you guys just seem not to really care about keeping these individual freedoms.

FunkThompson
FunkThompson
11/4/2008 03:09 PM

Why do you not care about the rights of less fortunate people to have a shot at education, health care, etc?

If the freedoms you spoke of created, by free market forces, a benevolent society in which all have at least a fair shot at success, I would agree.

Unfortunately, the people who are to be most "put upon" by any of Obama's tax plan, have proven over the course of history that they are in it for themselves, and will cheat, lie, and tread upon the less fortunate in the name of making a buck. Lay-offs, outsourcing, offshoring, reduction in wages, going overseas to avoid fair labor practices or environmental regulations... all slowly destroying the middle class, and making the rich richer while the poor get poorer.

I do care about my individual freedoms - but my freedoms are more limited by the whim of the CEO and Board than by any law. At any moment, I could lose my job, which I am very good at and dedicated to, so that the Executives could lay off workers and vote themselves multi-million dollar raises.

I hope you don't lose any "individual freedoms" and in fact believe that the democrats, this time around, are the closest to "right for America."

What is really funny is that I keep hearing the same politicians who approved the $700b bail-out going and saying "socialism bad!"

kizzy1
kizzy1
11/4/2008 03:14 PM

although i do agree with what you are saying , to some extent , i must say that you are not forced into doing any of these things . we all have a choice - join the system or drop out. obviously you have made your choice. but if you really want to avoid the above mentioned pitfalls you always have the option of dropping out - quit your job , sell your house , your car etc and make a go at it the unconventional way. not saying that i have but i often considered it , especially in my younger days . your either in the game or out of it. you must realize that playing the little game of life the way it is setup will require some compromising. that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to change the status quo.

but at least be real about it. libertarian or not your still part of this system for better or worse. drop out now and go on tour! i would if i thought i could swing it. grilled cheese for a buck !

by the way how are you forced to send your kids to public schools ????

FunkThompson
FunkThompson
11/4/2008 03:21 PM

Yeah, only the poor people are forced to send their kids to public schools. Most wealthy folks (smartly) send their kids to private schools.

Public Schools have been getting worse and worse since my high school days, I have many friends who are teachers. We have a real mess on our hands there, and it needs to be fixed, not further ignored in the name of "individual freedoms" (by which, in this case, you mean selfishness and greed, you know, "fuck the poor, I'm not paying for them to go to school and have a chance to improve their lives.")

dweniger
dweniger
11/4/2008 04:01 PM

first off funk the less fortunate do have the same rights i have!! nobody is holding them back. America is the easiest country in the world to achieve the "good life". its very easy to make it in America, if u cant make it here ur not going to make it anywhere.

heres the easy solution to eliminate poverty. people who arent settled in a good career should not have children especially multiple children. BAM if everyone adhered to that principle 90% of poverty would be wiped out. My point is people who are poor and at a disadvantage are there for a reason. Big bad corporations didnt force these people into poverty they did it themselves or their parents did it for them.

i dont get how ur freedoms are limited by a companies CEO more than our fed govt. does the CEO of Ford force u to buy their piece of shit cars or does Geico force u into their insurance plan NO. but on the other side if you dont pay into social security youll be put in jail.

good at least u admitted that the bailout is socialism. i agree with you there thats why i cant take the republican party seriously.

dweniger
dweniger
11/4/2008 04:12 PM

So spending 10-15k per child is not enough. what do u want? every elementary school to resemble harvard? the best education in the world is free, its called parenting. that might sound like a simple solution but its the only one that works. maybe deadbeat parents should stop fucking over their own children and than forcing society to pay for their irresponsibility.

So how is it greedy for me to ask to keep my own money? I worked my whole life to achieve the little that i have now and your telling me its NOT MY RIGHT to keep my own money r u serious? but its someone elses right to be able to take my money from me?

dweniger
dweniger
11/4/2008 04:22 PM

its not just poor people who are forced into public schools its poor, middle class, and even upper class children. taxes are so high in some areas that its impossible to afford both school taxes and than on top of that pay private school tuition. if you didnt have to pay for the school taxes for the rest of your life it would be fairly easy to pay for private school tuition for most middle class Americans.

Lakai2788
Lakai2788
11/4/2008 05:45 PM

because god told me not to care

GratefulFrederick
GratefulFrederick
11/5/2008 08:34 AM

dweniger- You live in a country where for better or worse, you are partly responsible to help out those less fortunate than you. I understand your frustration at paying high taxes, but to be fair, taxes in the US are waaaaaaaaay lower than a lot of European countries. If you are not interested in helping out your fellow man, maybe you should consider moving to a different country. By the way, if you find a country that is 100% capitalistic, please let me know. I wouldn't move there, but I would love to know about it.

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