Phish Talks Ticketing Issues

Making soup for the ambassadors.... I am glad they know whats up. Too bad for all of you phans who got fucked over. I surely thought I wasn't going to get any but I got a decent amount. Don't pay over face for any of these tickets this tour. Trust me its not worth it.

thanks for realizing it! phish just needs to sell all of the tickets to the shows. live nation started selling tickets Jan 1 2009, clearly they are not prepared for the high demand. It also is real nice to see the tickets on ebay before anyone you know can even get thru to the ticketing section on livenation.com

NICE SHIRT!!!

anyone who buys lawn seats for over face is a fucking tool. I am sorry but we shouldn't pheed the phrenzy and give into those fuckers and especially if you bought tickets from one of those sites before there even on sale.

from craigslist:

SUPPLY AND DEMAND. IF WE REFUSE TO PAY OUTRAGEOUS PRICES FOR TICKETS THEY WILL HAVE TO SELL THEM FOR LESS. PHISH IS NOT TOURING AGAIN SO YOU CAN MAKE MONEY. BUYING MORE TICKETS THAN YOU NEED SO THAT YOU CAN RIP OFF FELLOW PHANS IS DISAPPOINTING. WHAT HAPPENED TO COMMUNITY, RESPECT, LOVE?

Quit complaining, if you were persistent, you got tickets. If you didn't buy a Bonnaroo ticket and all will be right with the world. Epic. Confirmed. See you in Manchester.

If you didn't, buy a Bonnaroo ticket

there was an attempt made for correct grammar!

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IT turned into money hungry bastards looking to profit from the community. Whenever theres a good thing, someone has to ruin it, and this time it just happened to be a bunch of outsiders who decided they could get rich off of our love of phish. No true phan would ever buy tickets for profit, its not the community that is getting fucked, its outsiders fucking our community

yeah... the ticket drop blew! everyone I know got shut out and there were tix on "scalper sites" at the same time! Phish needs to get their (ticketing) act together. something's phishie...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhCrbjD_qWM&feature=related

how is this any different from any other phish ticket problemo?

DOWN WITH LIVENATION!!!! Livenation not money hungry bastards is to blame for the anger among Phish fans. I do agree that non fans bought up too many tix but patient fans could get tickets to most of the shows they needed. It's sad to say but i actually miss ticketmaster. I did end up getting the tix to the few shows i needed but the whole process was horrible. It is unacceptable for a so called ticket agency to be so poorly run. I would rather pay the extra few dollars in surcharge than waste 2 hours being kicked back the start time and time again. Livenation is not going anywhere but I hope bands like phish will decide to boycott venues that are exclusive to them.

Mrknowitall, don't try to tell me and many others we weren't persistent enough. I had multiple laptops going on both Friday and Saturday, with several friends helping out by calling and refreshing pages for hours, and I didn't get a single ticket. People pulled tickets purely by luck this weekend, so don't act like you think you're better than other people just because you got lucky.

IT'S THE NOOBS FAULT.

Noobs are clogging OUR system. Anyone who didn't see Phish until after Cypress: Get off our band. Stop trying for tickets when they're this scarce.

people like you are just as detrimental to the community as scalpers. whatever happened to sharing in the groove...

Hey, an when big cypress happened i was 15.... just cause your old doesn't mean that you are more a phish fan then I am. That is a bullshit comment. I just as disapointed, if not more so than you that we cant get tickets. Im 23. I love phish only saw them in 2004. I have been waiting a long time for this comeback.

yeah...f*ck u deathtonoobs. who gives a shit how many shows u saw before cypress..

Fuck yeah, we need to share in the groove. Blame the scalpers that want to profit off our band. Dont blame me and people my age for loving phish.

How can you appreciate Phish when you only saw them in 2004. You can't. Go somewhere nice this summer, maybe Paris, no one wants you on tour.

i checked stub hub the day after alpine tickets went on and there were 700 somthing tickets for sale with the cheapest at $90. i got the tickets i wanted but come on that is rediculous to exploit people that actuly are phans esspecialy in this econominc crisis. phish doesn't need to apologize for this its far from their fault. and deathtonoobs422 you an idiot its nobodys fault they are young.

Live recordings, asshole.

BTW.... come out west, Phish!! we want you here.

no one wants negative people like deathtonoobs on this tour. no room for negativity, only real phans

Sucks I couldn't get tickets. Livenation is a complete clusterf#@k. I imagine the band must be feeling pretty good right now, after selling all those tickets. Hopefully the shows will live up to the hype. And hopefully they will add more dates.

Ok, phish recognizes there's a problem with getting tickets to their shows, and with all due respect to phish, they're the sickess bad going, live. However they need to consider their fans and play bigger venues. Jones Beach, that's smaller than pepsi- albany. Why not SPAC? the fox theatre? 11 shows! I'm not saying tour stadiums, but they can play venues 25,000+, and add some nights, 1 deer creek?

Where's the FESTIVAL-( Oswego - August 09 ?! )

I got shut out completely and it sucks. I feel ya dropacidrain I was tryin all of Saturday to get tix to alpine, calling and online, and by the time I finally got through with someone on the phone they were sold out. I think I've come to grips with the situation but seriously livenation was not prepared at all for this kind of demand for tickets.

Oh and deathtonoobs you should probably not post here anymore you bring the whole community down. Just my 2 cents.

If you see anyone selling tickets for coverprice +20+ ,tell them to get a real job.

jeeeezzzz. i've bin wondering about this...they goina make us go to a movie theator in select citys to watch a live brodcast??? i wish upon all the shows to be brodcasted at live on iclip.net or sumthing. im glad there kinda beein nice to us. hope it stays up to date like those dead video's they've bin brodcasting...who know's....it's the beauty and the thrill and fun...!

I think my new jambase name is going to be deathto.deathtonoobs422

I've seen phish plenty, but it don't matter whether you seen them 100x or 0x, as long as you're there for the music. It helps, but you don't have to see a band to appreciate them. Phish is a very talented band, hence very popular- deal with it.

i'd rather be on tour with a bunch of people who only saw phish in 2004, rather than one person like deathtonoobs...c'mon man, you're obviously an old dude, but you act like you're 12...i laugh at your comments...haha

I understand the frustration with tickets...but you can't blame phish for the tour. There were certain things that had to happen for them to come back. I don't care what these things are if it means they're coming back. The planned this tour on purpose so LEECHes could not be on this tour grimin the place up with their filth. one night of deer creek is because it would be full of them if there was multiple camping. alpine for two days (even though DC is better) is because there is no camping there. The fox theatre is for the band to enjoy an intimate setting again...sucks for most of us but the people who are there will be treated to an EXCELLENT experience. They are taking it slow this first time and feeling things out. Don't worry there will be more tours after this. They are not gonna come out the first tour and run in to the exact same problems that caused two hiatus'. If this is what it takes for the bad....SO BE IT....just happy to have them back. Besides the shows aren't for almost six months...plenty of tickets will appear before then...especially right before the show when all the people who bought them to sell aren't gonna want to eat the price and try to get rid of them...have patience and dedication and you will see them.

Hey,

Wanna explain why phish is playing tiny ass venues? Why are they only playing 1 night in Great Woods (Comcast). That is a disaster waiting to happen.

They should play larger stadiums and be done with it.

maybe if this tour is a success. But for the moment i do n ot think they should be playing stadiums. smaller is better.

I asked a guy on craigslist if he wanted to trade an Alpine or a Knoxville for one of his 5 extra Burgettstown tickets, and he responded with "no need. i have my tix for PA and extras to sell." So this guy purposefully bought 5 extra tickets just to profit on? He doesn't want to see Phish another time or bring friends along? How many people did that? I bet it was deathtonoobs422.

i have a mansfield pavillion level ticket to trade for an asheville. Long story short is that i had 2 tickets for mansfield in my cart at livenation. I ended up losing those two tickets because no "purchase" button loaded. I tried to update the tickets and lost them. Had one more shot at livenation and it only would let me get one ticket. So i needed 2 for mansfield and only have one. If anyone has an extra mansfield for face or would like to trade an asheville for one mansfiled pavillion please drop me a line. Serious offers only...trustworthy folks only too. thanks..lets help each other out.

well, I can't say I feel too too badly for anyone. Those who spent the night in the freezing cold out front of the Asheville Civic Center know what I'm talking about. I had a blast guys, I hope something becomes of all this.

haah what a surprise ticketCrapster strikes again.. Ripping the hearts out of true fans and throwin them to a bunch of scavengers. A return i was happy about is startin to leave a sour taste in my mouth and its only a matter of time till i spit.

HEY DEATHTONOOBS! YOU ARE A MEAN GUY! WHY DON'T YOU BE QUIET! MY FIRST SHOW WAS IN 94, AND I WANT TO SEE PHISH TOO, BUT YOU ARE JUST OUT OF LINE, BUDDY! OUT OF LINE! YOU LIKE TO GO TO PARIS AND MAKE OUT WITH FRENCH GUYS! LEAVE THEM KIDS ALONE! THEY LOVE THE PHISH! THE PHISH IS BACK AFTER 5 YEARS AND WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? DID YOU THINK GETTING TICKETS WOULD BE EASY? DID YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CAMP OUT OUTSIDE OF YOUR LOCAL RECORD STORE AND GET TICKETS AT 10:00 THE NEXT MORNING? IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT ANYMORE, DEATHTONOOBS! YOU ARE NOT BUYING COLOR ME BADD TICKETS! WHY DON'T YOU GO TO PARIS AND LISTEN TO COLOR ME BADD AND HOLD HANDS WITH A FRENCHMAN AND WEEP! YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE!

"I understand the frustration with tickets...but you can't blame phish for the tour. "

If the Phish organization really cared about scalped tickets then they would put an end to it. Obviously they have the ability to, and yet they let this ridiculousness go on.

As long as they sell all the tix then they don't give a hoot...if they did then maybe you'd be able to see them.

its sad to see so many abuse the scene, but we all knew this would happen and theres not too much phish could do to prevent it. if u didnt get tix to these shows, relax. they are not gonna stop in wisconsin, and im sure they will release more tix by themselves for the west coast run or at least figure a better ticketing scenario out. either way, be thankful.

thanks for comin back boys cant wait to go phishin this summer

never had this problrm trying to get an UM ticket.....or an sts9 ticket.....I suspect this is nothing more than KARMA and YES FUCK YOU!!!

ohh wait sine this is a Phish thread let me just say Biscuits and be done!!!

U asshats got what u deserved..I hope those heady bastards back in '94 with all that corporate cash bought up all the tickets

seriously guys, who wants to trade an asheville general admission ticket for my heady mansfield PAVILLION ticket? lets help each other out and trade some magic. fuck the scalpers...heady trades for the phaithful!

congrats to all those who actually got tickets. we should all have expected this time around that tickets for the tour would be unbelievably difficult to get a hold of, so why cry about this or that, even though it's very easy to. we can only wish for a winter tour, and possibly some west coast action. or maybe even a simulcast would do at this point!

it's cool Phish is apologizing and that they put themselves in the fans' shoes. as for live nation I've never experienced a more stressful database in my life. that being said patience was my virtue. deer creek and alpine valley couldn't be happier!

Jenny Jen pretty much nailed it on the head...

jenny jen ^^ lets see some shows together! good to see some fine women back on the scene! :)

finkle-LEECHes and people, alike, need to camp. I doubt there playing 1 deer creek, so no one can camp, thus weening out the "LEECHes"- there will be people at any concert, there for the wrong reasons no matter the venue, no matter how many shows, no matter the band. (PHISH) + Few shows and small venues is a scalpers' paradise- increase demand-increase profit...Economics 101. At many venues the seats are preowned by stockholders, and they love when phish comes to town. Yeah, I would kill to see phish in a small intimate theatre, but between the few fortunate ones and the stress of the many unfortunate ones...

I don't get why people rip on the noobs, thats like saying fuck you for loving the Beatles or Zep, Its not their fault when they were born...phish fans are more hostile then gang bangers now of days....Wheres the love! haha

Kind of a weak statement from the band, but at least they said something.

This is phish's 420th news story.

Mmm 420.

Golgi'd.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/phish_ticketmaster/ ...... jenny jen, where yOu been all my life?

LiveNation screwed me once again. please come to SPAC!!

BEST BAND EVER!!! Handing their management over to redlight and livenation, not so good.This happened because Phish is huge, really huge!

Tourmaniac is a toolbag.

i spent two hours dealing with errors and such but ended up getting 4 tickets

it was worth it but the frustration was overwhelming

Fuck yeah- ethan6-SPAC, or how about Vernon Downs 2.

to those that are saying Phish should sell the tickets themselves... do you realize that they wouldn't be able to play these venues like DC and Alpine, etc... if they sold the tix themselves? Live Nation OWNS THE VENUES AND ALL RIGHTS TO DISTRIBUTE TICKETS HOWEVER THEY WISH. Sure it's called "Verizon Wireless Music Center" because they SPONSOR the venue. So, in order for everyone to be happy, it sounds like Phish should own all these venues they play so they can do ticketing their own way. I was persistent friday and got me 4 DC tix for me and my peeps. ANYWAYS... here's something that might brighten your day: just found this... http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c225/brovich/BROO09.jpg

you guys, deathtonoobs has every right to say that stuff, he was at the first show ever at the ROTC halloween dance '83. he was watching this band before they were even called phish and that fucking noob page even joined the band. also this was the first time deathtonoobs sucked off his first army battalion.

deathtonoobs is a dumbfuck toolbox.

We don't give a fuck if deathtonoobs was at ROTC-TheJuice. I was there when Trey was conceived.

If page is a "fucking noob" what does that make all of us.

I'm sorry, but as a longtime Phish fan, someone whose been to many shows and someone whose went to Coventry w/ tix, but still got shut out b/c I wanted nothing to do with hiking 12+ miles with all my gear to see the "last" Phish show ever, these apologies are getting a little tired. Based on the presale demand, and the demand for the Hampton shows, Live Nation and Phish both should have been plenty prepared for this. Am I bitter? Of course, and that doesn't necessarily make my rant appropriate, but I feel like these are issues that Phish and their preferred ticket outlets have had ample time to address, and yet they have not. I mean, this is the long awaited reunion of one of the most successful live musical acts. How is one of the two most successful concert promoters not prepared for this?

what stu said.

The bottom line is, as stated, supply & demand. If these tickets are worth so much to us, then Phish should simply charge more. If anyone should be making money off of our insanity, it's the band, not ticket brokers. So if after five years of desperately waiting you can't shell together a couple hundred bucks to see your favorite band, maybe it's time to get a job hippies ;)

I'm excited to see my 50th show, but all ya'll negative cats can stay at home. The process sucks: Phish wants to play Camden. Camden has contract with LiveNation. LiveNation is the devil. Robert Johnson made deal with the devil. Said fan (Robert Johnson?) wants to see Phish. Fan must buy said ticket from LiveNation. And so on...

If someone wants to see Phish at a great venue for a reasonable price, someone better go Bill Graham on this piece and open up a corporate free venue... but for now, that's the reality.

Harpua strikes at dawn.

I waited 15 hours in the knoxville cold and was 3rd person in line. I got front row floor center seats 1 thru 6 for my pals and have 2nd row center seats 11 and 12 for trade for Fox theatre, or Hampton any day. I'm sorry for buying extras to trade but i missed out on the other shows, I'm not greedy and I don't need money. I think this tour is only the first leg too, maybe a way to gauge things in this bad economy. Look forward to more Phish 09 dates imo.

I LOVE PHISH!!!!

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WTF, I was shut out from the start man, Ticketango.com had tix for 180.00 at 10:30 AM, 30 min after the official sale of tickets. Bullshit it is, I hate I did not get tickets, this really could have been done better. Hopefully Phish will launch a big tour, so we all can share in the groove.

WENDY IS ON THE WINDOW SILL

Want tickets to Asheville? These pukes have over 100. How did they get over 100, all I wanted was two http://www.tickettango.com/ResultsTicket.aspx?evtid=991905&event=Phish

If the guys really are sorry about what happened, lets see some action on the side of scalpers being caught and having their tickets pulled. The scalping going on is unbelievable, and down right obvious. If they don't try to enforce it now that the fans have been affected, then that clause is a joke. How about a little justice?

Anyone who walked into Conventry should have been guarenteed the right to buy a pair to a show, I beleive. How about the people who didnt get in and had to live with the refund and the autographed book? Didn't they disearve a chance at a ticket more than anyone?

Congrats to all of those who got tickets, but its obvious something shaddy went down here.

Seriously, keep the high school age, "Shine" loving jackasses away from any Phish shows. The band will break up in five years and the kids will get their TAB tour.

This was all very frustrating and scalpers blow. Thaqt being said, does anybody have a first night Jones beach for a Camden? I'm short one ticket for Jones beach and have an extra Camden. Just respond if you do. Thanks

they look kinda bored in this.

Phuck ticketmaster, but seriously, has anyone gone to a show with money and not gotten in?? With the economic times it won't be that hard folks!!! just dont pay $250 for it and tool bag it up!!!!

I tried to get tickets on the 20th and 21st. when i did get my tickets i was logged out when submitting my billing info. every single time. I was pissed. Not phish's fault, still a bummer. anyone with extras at face hit me up

so when do i get the tickets that i should have gotten on friday

I can't believe people are shocked? This band is HUGE and tickets will now and forever be a big problem. I hope this band never goes to Stadiums, because once that happens the intimacy is over and it'll just be a freak show that will bring a-holes and a whole bunch of problems. Nobodys fault this is happeneing just simple supply and demand. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, because if it does get out of control this band will have to call it quits again, hope not.

I had issues, but a little presistence generates luck

see yall in hampton and jones beach! WOOHOO!

Bonnaroo lineup leak... i think. enjoy. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c225/brovich/BROO09.jpg

^ Sorry, any lineup that has Aphex Twin is fake. I always see them and they are always fake. He hasn't been to the US in years, except for a surprise unannounced visit to Coachella last year. He certainly wouldn't be on a lineup and he certainly wouldn't go to Bonnaroo.

Plus I would be super pissed if that is a real leak because then I would have to buy tickets.

it's amazing that Phish is aware of this and cares enough to post about it themselves. still, the next step is a SOLUTION! Phish Lottery hooked me up, but, even though I'm a southern NY'er, I got shut out of Jones Beach. I thought I could happily try for just one or two shows on the public on-sale, woke up like a good little head at a quarter to ten, and spent over 2 and a half hours hammering with my browser and cordless. not only is there no phone-call queue, but I actually HAD tickets on SEVEN separate occasions, only to run into the "500 Internal Server Error" and lose them each and every time! not cool, livenation.

Dionysis, good shit man. I like what I see so far. Also, buying tickets solely for the purpose of reselling them is ridiculously undude. My buddy did that for The Dead tour and I let him know in no unplain terms how disappointed I was in him.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Happy Monday!!!!!

I got my tickets on livenation.com at NOON EST. I kept on going for 2 hours strong, finally... my buddy and I started to get tickets over and over again. I got for Jones Beitches, Mass, Camden for me and all my friends. Just took patience and persistence.

I understand it was frustrating...It surely was for me...Took me over 2 1/2 hrs to score 2 lawns for Star Lake and Deer Creek, then another 2-3 hrs to score 4 for both nights @Alpine. Persistance paid off, got kicked off multiple times with tix in my basket and may Pavillion tix for alpine are not together but hey, I'm in like flynn...To all those who got shut out, you will be able to get some tix dont worry just bring something to trade and don't fuel the fire by giving in to scalpers I have been seeing these guys since 98 and have NEVER,EVER not gotten into a show I wanted to be in and have absolutely NEVER, EVER, EVER paid over face. Keep it real and see you all there....The tires are the things that make contact with the road...

^ Yup, I got mine about 2 hours after they went on sale too. I pretty much gave up from 10:45 to 11:45 and then just said the hell with it and tried to get them again. Such a clusterfuck.

dropacidrain,Coconutphil, ethan6 =N00B alert!

If you have any clue how to use a computer, you could see that this thing called the internet lists phone numbers in queries about livenation. Maybe you should have called a livenation affiliate and had tickets to the whole tour. You also could have gone to a local Blockbuster who is a livenation exclusive broker. Look at the bright side Bonnaroo will have tickets tomorrow! Don't hate the players or the game, be smart ad figure it out!

No different than The Dead------And again not the band's fault as the promoters and venues set the tone--Not like the good ole days when the bands could give the promoters the finger as it will cost them way too much $$$$$ to settle.

Grass roots bands had the right idea but the industry has now taken the "grass roots" approach as they saw yet another way to soak the fan's for every noickel they can get.

Phish and The Dead are worth every penny if it went to them but most of it will not and it is of no fault of the bands------Other alternative is they don't play and who the hell wants that.

So Fuck StubHub, LiveNation, clear channel, etc. (Who also took the whole live tape and trade world into another $$$$$$$$$$ venture for themselves.

don';t blame the bands but do blame the industry suits that have no idea how to be proactive and creative on their own. It's all $$$$$ in their eyes not a way of being.

Groove On,

Dicky

I saw some that heady folks are giving away a ticket to Mansfield on this site: http://decentcommunity.org/2009/02/02/win-a-phish-ticket/

Some may complain about snake-like ticket brokers and re-salers, but I'm convinced that the Phish Community is made up of kind and decent people.

"I was there at deer creek back 2009--when I sold 2 tix for 350 dollars-- think it was june but trey was still alive....

First Ticketmaster was bad, now its Livenation.

Come on People!! Someone has to be the bad guy. I don't see you catering to millions of fans. I only see you pointing fingers.

yeah it took me 2 hours but i got my deer creek tickets.....i dont know why people are complaining, if you kept trying you got them....but i mean honestly it took two hours to sell out thats enough time.

i dont understand how the scalpers get a hold of more tickets than us!! There has to be some kind of partnership this sites have with scalpers like ticket tango and waht not. What the fuck!?!?!?

ha. this makes me laugh. see yall at alpine!!!

I feel that if Phish would indicate that they plan to do a few tours, at a minimum, it would ease this feeding frenzy. Of course, that would totally backfire against managements crafty announcement scheduling. I did not get in on the ticket action. Frankly, it would go against everything Phish means to me to pay some of the prices people are asking for tickets. I would hope for those well-intentioned pholks attending, that the overall vibe does not "pay the price" of this disheartening trend.

I faced problems myself. I was trying to get sunday tickets while my friend in Memphis was getting the Saturday tickets (for Alpine). I was just persistant and after he gave up, I just kept trying and finally got tickets for both Saturday and Sunday. The weird thing about the Satruday tickets is that I got a "sold out" message, but kept trying anyway and eventually I got them. I know a lot of people don't like Ticketmaster, but I never had a problem with them. Live Nation however is horrible. It it too bad for the people who couldn't get tickets. Alpine is gonna rock!

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im trying to build a fuckin spaceship and my buddy wants to build an asteroid made out of lincoln logs! dont lincoln log my legos!

They shouldn't have to apologize for anything! You brats used to getting everything you want... Boo F****ing Hoo!

WHY DON'T YOU HIPPIES TAKE THE MONEY YOUR SAVING ON SOAP, HAIR BRUSHES, RAZORS, AND DEODORANT TO BUY THESE TICKETS. OR BETTER YET DON'T TAKE DRUGS WHEN YOU GO TO THE SHOWS AND FIND OUT THAT THIS BAND SUCKS. WE LIVE IN A FREE MARKET SOCIETY, IF THE SELLER HAS A GOOD YOU WANT AND THE TWO OF YOU CAN COME TO AN AGREED PRICE, GO FOR IT. DON'T KNOCK A MAN FOR TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING.

I know some people who "scalp" high demand tickets (concerts, sporting events, Broadway, etc...) and I asked them one time how they get these tickets. Their explaination made tons of sense. First, the band themselves (including stage hands, roadies, sound guys, band management, etc...) all get an allotted amount of tickets for each show. Most of these people affliated with the band then sell their tickets to these professional scalpers for "extra money" (as it was told to me). Same goes with the venue "corporate sponsors" (all those advertisements hanging in each venue...Coca-Cola, Budweiser, AllState Insurance, etc...). Those people, too, receive an allotted amounnt of tickets per show and they sell their tickets to these scalpers (they know who the scalpers are and how much each ticket is worth). Put all of these "allotted" tickets together, and you could be talking hundreds of tickets. On top of that, most of these "scalped" tickets are appearing on more than one website (they are owned by pretty much the same people or group of companies).

I'm sure these scalper guys have other means of getting tickets (I've heard stories of employees working at these venues having "arrangements" with scalpers to get them tickets).

It's like drugs people...when there's money to be made, corruption and greed take over (it's who you know, not necessarily what you know). It happens in our government, it happens in our big cities and small hometowns. Look at the people who set up "scams" after disasters looking to "take advantage" of others. It happened after 9/11 and Katrina. It's human nature.

Phish can't stop this...their management, their people are part of it. They know it. And as much as you think Phish can control their own destiny, they can't. Anyone familiar with the music industry knows the musicians have very little control over themselves and their "business".

I've been to over 50 phish shows since 1994. I'm not happy about this. I have my two nights in Hampton and then I'm done. It's sad to see something so good go this way. I understand how the Deadheads of the 60's and 70's felt when they experienced the clusterf*#@ of the 80's and 90's.

Young or old, experienced or new, it will never be the same.

The ticketing system/ lottery system needs to be reviewed. I have tried countless times to get tickets. I was on live nation for an hour and a half. Something is seriously messed up. This whole system of people scalping is fucked up too. I guess we will have to wait for another tour when everything is not so overly hyped up. It would be sweet that if you held old Phish ticket stubs, you could be processed first in the lottery. New fans are clogging up the system, but who gives its what happens when a band like this takes such a long hiatus.

I did not get tickets... I was only trying for the STL show at the Fox. The show is in my home town, at a great venue, I am too busy and my work is too important to do any road trips, and I have seen Phish over 20 times since '95... yet despite my persistance the lottery system (which opened up 4/5 of the tickets) essentially sold out the show (to out of towners and ticket scalpers) which left folks like me (who live and work in StL) to grapple for 1000 tickets on Friday (the actual day tickets went on sale)... needless to say I will not be seeing Phish this go around (I refuse to pay 700-4000$ for a ticket)... and while I miss the days when you actually had to work for your tickets (remember camping out to get a good place in line... or the old mail order system), and I am bummed about missing the kick off tour I am sure they will be out this way again... When they do come back to StL hopefully they will change the lottery system... instead of offering 80% of the tickets through a lottery why not only open up 20% so that folks have a better chance of seeing the band in their own home town?

I cant believe people expected it to be easy to get tickets. Some people get tickets, some dont. Expect it, deal with it. I am actually on the side of paying a little more for a ticket than whining and bitching and being upset for days at a time over this. Most of you could have already earned enough money to buy a scalped ticket in the amount of time u have spent bitching. I know that wont help stop scalpers, but what will, its been going on forever.

What do you mean hippies don't own corporate colesiums and international ticket agencies?

word, just have to agree witheveryone that it was frusterating as hell, i had 13 different ticekt orders for deer creek and alpine timeout. but i still got tickets to both, just had to sit with hoping patience and honestly people who really deserved and tried got them. and mymorningjambase.com needs to really shut the hell up, you're a fuck

Here is a possible solution for of us who couldn't get the tickets yet... MORE SHOWS!!! Phish, you are apologizing, so, do somthing about it. Play more than 12 shows this summer. COME OUT WEST, play more 2/3 day runs at each play. we know you guys are making a killing of these few dates. How about being like a real tour act and dont stop for 4-5 months, play a 60 show tour like you did in the 90s. Your fans deserve that!

folettinme... youre the type of person that doesn't belong in this community. no one said you had to make that comment. you just explained everything that's wrong with the world today. just because there's an opportunity to make a profit doesn't mean one SHOULD be made... this is where one's conscious kicks in and should realize that taking advantage of someone because they love or feel strongly about something is WRONG.

just because the people of today have been CONDITIONED to accept a world where profit is made on priceless things, and CONDITIONED to accept scalpers does NOT mean its right. we just need to CONDITION people out of this economic clusterf*&k.

My issue isn't as much with the ticketing system being slow or crashing...that always happens and is some what almost impossible to avoid. The cost to put the computer infrastructure in place to handle 3 hours worth of excessive traffic every now and then is very high, but I digress.

The biggest issue I have is the additional costs Live Nation (Clear Channel) adds onto the tickets.

The ticket price is $42 + $12.85 (ticket fee) + $3 (parking fee) and $4.50 (facility fee)...that's $20.35 on each ticket!!! 49% of the cost of the ticket is additional BS fees...

The monopolistic practices of Live Nation are killing live music in this country.

Hippies are very bitchy

i went to the box office and dindt have any trouble it was sweet me and buddys walked away with 7 pavillion and one lawn for deercreek

I would love it if Phish actually went after some of the scaplers, got the tickets back, and made them available for real fans. I'd LOVE to see someone take legal action against stubhub(criminals). Anyhow, after 3+ hours on the internet, I managed to get 5 alpine saturdays, and 3 alpine sundays, and couldn't be happier.

I contend that for all high-demand shows, the band should make all tickets will-call only with no name changes. Sucks for the few people whose plans change, but the only way to ensure only fans want to see the shows and not just brokers who want to jack up ticket costs.

cry baby cry

"Dionysis8869 Mon 2/2/2009 06:22AM Show -1 Votes

Bonnaroo lineup leak... i think. enjoy. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c225/brovich/BROO09.jpg"

That would be one sick line up, but who would headline? Paul, Phish, Daft Punk, or the Dead? Maybe they will have a headliner Thursday now also one for each big name.

But if you look through some bands websites one can find many conflicting tour dates. I saw Jamiroquia on there and they are in Germany & Russia during this time. Hard to make it to the US and back. I would go just to see them. Good job on photobucket. Someone has to much time.

Taken for their offical website.

Jamiroquai are pleased to announce the following tour dates for the coming months:

* 26 May, Portugal, Lisbon, Rock in Rio

* 02 June, Germany, Rock am Ring

* 04 June, Germany, Rock im Park

* 15 June, Russia, Saint Petersburg, Ice Palace

* 18 June, Russia, Moscow, Olympiski

* 20 June, Ukraine, Kiev, Palace Of Sports

* 22 June, Georgia, Tbilisi, Philharmonic Concert Hall, Tbilisi Jazz Festival

* 14 July, Netherlands, Rotterdam, Ahoy, North Sea Jazz Festival

* 23 July, England, London, Victoria Park, Lovebox Weekender festival

We hope to announce additional dates soon.

Please check jamiroquai.com for all confirmed dates.

HOw is it that morningjambase.com just came on here...in the middle of discusssion on scalpers and busted someones head right in front of all of us...selling tickets for 200-250 and nobody said a thing!!! Am i fucking nuts or is that totally unacceptable. You sell them for face or go the show. WHo the fuck does he think he is????? He needs to be booted from this site.

That Roo Lineup is as bunk as can be..... And you had to be retarted not to score Phish tickets on LN.com... If you tried hard enough you got tickets... I got tix for all the Midwest tour. And some extra's for my buddies... I meant I was still pulling Pavs seats for Alpine 2 hours after... You just had to keep trying...

ill pay 75 buck per ticket to any/all NE shows. anyone wanna help a phan with no tix??? motonibur@aol.com.

sorry im only 20 and i wasnt going to shows in the 90s when all you "real phans" say phish was "good". i`ll have to call my mom and yell at her for not taking me to shows when i was 8. regardless, i love phish and got my tickets for camden so like it or not "real phans", im gonna be there sharing in the groove with all of you...all 20 young years of me

Phish should not have any more dates... That's not Healthy for the Band and Music will def.. suffer..

i tried to get tix for asheville and knoxville but no dice. its all good though, everyone just needs to relax.....give it time and if they do a full blown tour for the rest of the summer or fall , you will get your chance to see em.

DMB41, i think that would be more of a clusterfuck than you imagine, but at least somebody's being constructive rather than just bitching. imagine 50,000 people cramming will-call lines at alpine: you'd have to get in line the night before and camp in your seat. we can all agree the system's fucked. i hope some day enough good-hearted people in the industry get together to destroy the scalping system. until then, have faith in the real phishheads who care! go to the venue early with a positive attitude, don't let the assholes get you down, there will be miracles and there will be lots of cool people selling extras at face value. not enough to satisfy everyone, but this won't be the last tour.

That bogus Bonnaroo flyer has been on the internet for months, past Phish, I wouldn't count on any of those other acts to be there, at least until it's confirmed tomarrow. I'll tell you right now Daft punk isn't gonna be there, and I'd say Outkast is quite a longshot as well, but then again, you never know. I did hear on the radio this weekend that Jay-Z is the big rummored rap act for this year's roo, but that's only a rumor.

Ahhh people like deathtonoobs crack me up....I mean were you born out of the womb with 30 shows under your belt? Dude lighten up, everyone has to start somewhere.

Ticketmaster is the REAL problem.......Asheville went on sale at 10 and was sold out at 10:01 (by the way, NO ONE who went to the ticket outlets got any love, not even the firsts in line) with a redirection to TicketsNow to purchase for 265.00/ticket is Insane!!! People ticketsNow is a company owned by Ticketmaster....they are F****** everyone and creating the Hype.

Phish needs to not do business with them ANYMORE and start their own ticket process. Also, the lottery needs to b ONE day, if you don't get you self organized, or space on the date....oh wellz. that's how it kinda was back in the day.

i went to high school with deathtonoobs...dude has never actually been to a show...he's a self hating noob...so sad

This is a completely inexcusable breakdown on behalf of LiveNation. Their infrastructure team most certainly did not do their homework. And as a result, what you have all witnessed may very well be a lasting impression of what the LiveNation ticket-purchasing experience is all about. When you run a ticketing site, sudden and extreme traffic bursts are indicative of your bread and butter. If you're not prepared for it, then you might as well hang up your hat and sell lemonade and Girl Scout Cookies on a street corner somewhere.

What a fucking blunder. I assume someone will lose their job over this.

Finkle: i am going to both shows....

DEATHTONOObs is afraid young people are going to come raid his medicine cabinet and TP his front lawn.

What we all should do, if at a show, is if you find a scalper(the true scalpers, not just fans trying to get rid of an extra ticket or 2) and sick the police on them. They are the ones who are buying many extras for just profit. If we keep doing this then they may think twice about scalping at shows. just a thought

In person box offices only - 2 tickets per customer. Or a lottery for all of the tickets where duplicate names, shipping or billing addresses would be taken out of consideration. And if tickets are in that high demand... give as many fans as possible 2 tickets to one show. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see multiple shows, but would understand trying to spread the luck around so more people can experience.

my best friend got all his tix!!!!!! mail order!!!!!!!!!!

I had no problems buying tickets, because unlike most of you NOOBs, i actually put in some effort and went to the box office to purchase mine. Of coarse the internet is going to be clogged up, use a little commonsense. The line was so short at Deer Creek, that right after i purchased 4 lawn tickets from one booth, i turned around, got back in line, and got 4 more lawn tickets at a different booth. Fuckin NOOBS. YO I got 7 DEER CREEK lawn tickets for $100 dollars each, or all 7 for $600. ill be the guy outside DEER CREEK with a wad of money in one hand and tickets in the other. Hahahah I LOVE SUPPLY AND DEMAND. "BOOHOOHOO i use the internet for everything in my life, why does it have to malfunction now, while im buying Phish tickets." well here is a situation that should get some of you so called hippies a little less technology dependent.

Man, never knew I was around so many assholes all these years. Some of you are just hateful? Why do you have to insult and slam those who did not get tickets? I have read some really negative stuff here.

The clean peace loving music fan, who has a job.

rothburyfieldsforever: Right on!!! Tell them like it is.

Of course there is going to be such a great demand, it's just too bad a lot of people are getting shut out and others are taking advantage. I have extras that are either all going for a fair trade or they are going to friends of mine for face. Let people just have a good time! Having said that, I have extras for both Jones Beach shows and Camden--2-1-1, and I'm looking to trade them for either a Friday or Saturday Hampton ticket. If you can make the trade, send me a message!

Bring back mailorder from 10-15 years ago and let's do it the old fashioned way. Seems like the only way to keep tickets out of the hands of scalpers. How many on this list used to do Grateful Dead or Phish mailorder? It was so much easier then!

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i got my tickets. no complaints.

talk is cheap ... play fcxkn stadiums so everyone can see a show ... I saw the Trey Band open for the Stones ... and the weak comments a bout "the vibe not being as cool" are stupid. Not to mention they would easily sellout a 50k stadium in one day, no doubt. 3 night runs at RFK and other major cities for example.

It ain't like they can't afford to put on shows on a bigger scale, guess I'll be listening to the recordings.

Sincerely, too broke to pay a scalper.

Merlin,

Great Idea go to a PHish show and waste your time trying to bust a scalper LOL dude that is some lame shit....How can u tell if he's a scalper or the Phish kid getting rid of a few tix? Will u ask him? Yeah let's seek out the police at a phish show to bust somebody..LMAO

Forget this Band. They had us and then they let it go because they wanted to see if they could drive their want to see them through the roof. Hell, I bet tey bought loads of tix so they can turn around and make more money selling them to their Phans. I am boycotting these guys. The only way for me to go to their show is if Trey comes up to me, apologizes for getting back together not 4 years after the "last ever shows", and gives me all the money that I wasted seeing those shows. Hell with The Dead and the Allman brothers hitting the road this year and Widespread there much better times to be had and music to listen too.

I would rather see Britney Spears with Backstreet Boys, Miley Cyrus, New Kids on the Block, and Menudo before I see Phish play one more note.

thats funny...deathtonoobs is scared of a few high school kids at a phish show. Hate to tell this bub, but every phish show ever performed had high school kids in the crowd. I was 14 when i saw my first show in 94. If everyone at that show was the type of asshole that deathtonoobs is, then i probably wouldn;t still be listening/seeing phish 15 years later. The type of loser such as deathtonoobs is only found online. Perhaps deathtonoobs is jealous that some high school kid has a bigger schlong than he does?

deadpanic --- good luck with that bub! have fun boycotting phish because you decided to hold a grudge against trey. Let us know how that goes when your sitting at home on your ass this summer. Phish dosen't owe you jack shit, and if you choose to hold such a grudge then its all your loss. I'm sorry dude, but you saying that you went on panic tour tells a lot oabout you. Different stokes for different folks, but to say panic tour is/will be better than phish tour is a joke right?

I NEED ONE ASHEVILLE TICKET!! I have an extra knoxville or an extra mansfield(pavillion level) to trade for one asheville ticket. drop me a line. I'm 100% serious and 100% trustworthy. lets help each other out and say "fuck off" to the scalpers in the process!

for a bunch of peaceful, happy hippies, you are all really angry...iit doesnt matter to me anyway...those of us who got tickets are happy and are looking forward to the shows...no system is perfect, so be realistic with the fact that an overload on a website selling tickets for a band in such high demand is inevitable...those of us who couldnt go to the box offices and were persistent with our OCD about getting tickets through the livenation website were successful...and i laugh at the rest of you who complain...HOW COULD YOU NOT PREDICT THIS??? and if you couldnt predict it, HOW ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT IT HAPPENED THIS WAY???...anyway, all of my friends and i got tickets to all of the shows that we want to go see, and we are all happy...see you on tour

does michael "bonghits" phelps go to phish shows? Is he one of us?

Livenation charged me $250 TWICE for Deer Creek, ended up with no tickets... After holding on the phone to bitch like crazy, they finally said they would return the $500 to me... And I was able to buy 4 tickets on the phone..for an additional $250. Totally drained my account, and left me no choice but to buy my Alpine tickets from scalpers.

usually don't agree with smokey on anything and i mean just about anything you can think of, but MERLIN come on man at PHISH you think cops are worried about scalpers?, we're talking about scalpers, scalpers, not a serial killer not anything else, scalpers, we are talking about scalpers, the cops will probably at you then think you must be on something if you are going to them asking for them to arrest someone, scalpers man, scalpers, we are talking about scalpers

the missing word is laugh, now you figure out where it goes

hous prepping, multiple laptops and browsers open, two phones.. yup, only 2 lawn tix for Camden. Know what though? Im gonna count my blessings and groove at that one show like its the last i'll ever see...and wont think once if the people boogyin next to me are 100+ experienced show-goers or noobs...dont really care

7/24 and 7/25 Saratoga NY. SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC SPAC

WHAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH Again.

Smack dab, in the middle of a situation overlooked by fools,

tables turned, lessons learned, you get burner for playing by the rules-

the time is lost, that's the cost, oh brother, you get shit on in the end,

scrape for a dollar, you'll die smiling, learning the same lessons once again.

The going gets tough from the get-go, go man, go ol' brother, not another motherfucker gonna go now, isn't that right Gener?

ps. If that is the Roo lineup, I will take on the shit weather, and even shittier crowd to see that one, but it's not.

^^ BRAHnnie, I thought we were talkin' about practice.

i can't wait for phish at alpine

so glad i got my tikets hope they play moma dance and some ghost

I have a couple problems. First, livenation's site was a joke. I just wish that Bonnaroo would have announced their lineup last week. I they always used to announce it in late January, and with the likely rumors of Phish, it could have possible diverted some of the traffic away from the site as many people may have just gone to Bonnaroo to see them for their lone show of the tour. Oh well, I'll just try to catch them next time around, but they need to play large venues. It may be time for this band to realize that summer stadiums may be in order. It's not like these 20,000+ amphitheaters are intimate venues. Don't add dates for this tour, just play bigger shows. Congrats to all that got tickets. (if anyone has camden extras...)

Heres a solution to all the ticketless fans: ENTIRE TOUR PAY PER VIEW PHISH CHANNELS. problem solved. A great way to make sure that the demand is made less is to let people watch the shows in their home on HDTV pay per view for a slight subscription fee. I know i'd order every show!

OK, this is going to get the typical response, but the reason I can't get tix isn't for lack of trying, or because of scallpers (maybe alittle cause of scalpers), but because of all the kids who are in to phish now having never even seen a show, yes all the yunguns, its your fault.

I'm not trying to be a dick, you all say things like "its music, bro, it belongs to everyone". That's a great concept, and on paper, I agree. Problem is, its LIVE music. Live music has to be played in venues with limited number of seating. So, yeah, the music belongs to everyone, great, but 18 y.o. kid who got a ticket to deer creek just got my seat. Simple as that, so fuck it, I feel like my band's been hi-jacked, and it sucks. NOthing personal to the poeple out there that feel offended by it, but where were you ten or fifteen years ago?

^^ sucks for you broesau. Must make you mad that that 18 year old kid has better skills at scoring tickets than a seasoned veteran like yourself? 10 to 15 years ago i was under 18 and listening to/going to phish shows. Your argument is flawed and what eaxctly do you have against younger fans? Phish does not belong to YOU...thank god for that!

I need one ticket for Asheville!! I'll be willilng to trade 2 Knoxville's for one Asheville......it's my ladies 30th and anyone who could help me be the best boyfriend with out going broke, sure would be AWESOME!!!

the 18 yo kid probably does have better computer skills, which i guess is what you need, these days. and to answer your question, 10 or 15 years ago, i was doing mail order on a file card through snail mail. I got seats for every tour with the same people, and never got denied. when i did, i walked to the box office before the show and bought a face ticket for 20 to 25 bucks.

All i'm saying is that is sucks that its such a hassle now, and thats the reason i see for it. I said i agree with the concept that music belongs to everyone. unfortunately, as i said, it can't really in this case, because there ain't enough room.

after reading broseau's hateful comment towards younger fans, i'd sincerely hope that EVERY 18 year old in this country gets a shot at broseau's seat before he does. With that attitude nobody wants someone like you at the shows. Learn to accept people for who they are no matter what age they are. I'm glad for the influx of 18 year old fans...pretty soon they will outnumber people like brosaeu and deathtonoobs. The scene will be much better once haters like bro have gone back to panic tour.

and explain how the fuck my argument is flawed? if all these kids weren't trying to get tickets, it would be easier for me, yes? thats my argument. I even apologized in my post if this offended anyone, but its the fucking truth. THese are the same venues from a summer tour 10 years ago.

dude, how the fuck was that hateful? i'm frustrated, i wanted to see phish, and now it looks like i'll have to wait at least one more tour. i accept young people, great, i'm just saying THEY STOLE MY SEAT!! I mean, its fucking true dude.

I saw Tom Waits last year for the first time. I could never get a ticket before. Tom is a genius. He made you pay with a credit card. You could only buy two tix. Upon entering the venue you had to show ID and credit card used to purchase and only then did you get your tix. The show was awesome.

I'm sorry, but please don't bitch about "noobs", new phish fans, or anyone that wasn't there in '93. I'm 26, I'v been into Phish since I was about 12, and I'll say to anyone that has become a fan of Phish's music in the last 5 years, WELCOME. Glad to have you, and i hope your first show is GREAT, I'll never forget my first show, and I don't think I'v seen a Phish show since my first that matched up to it, it's truely a once in a life-time experience. How can anyone that loves this band bitch at someone else for being a fan as well? I don't care if a 14 year old bought lawnboy last week, and now he's going to his first show this summer, GOOD FOR HIM! I'd rather more Phish fans in the world than that same kid turning into a corporate rock or american idol style asshole. Blaming fans for other fans not getting tickets, that's just iggnorant. EVEN PHISH POINTED THE FINGURE AT LIVENATION THIS MORNING, IT WAS LIVENATION'S FAULT, not the highschool kids that were blessed with discovering great music, and then, god forbid, actully want to go see Phish live! Man, people say I make some asshole comments on here, but I think the "Phish-Elitists" have me beat. DEATHTONOOBS--i have no doubt your attitude will change for the better some day when you finally get laid. God luck with that, as well.

^ i stole your seat! don't scapegoat the issue by blaming younger fans. If you want to blame someone, then blame me! I "STOLE" "YOUR SEAT" not because of my age, but because i actually didn't give up trying to get tickets. Actually, if you want to blame anyone...be a man and blame YOURSELF. The world's tinest violin plays just for you bro!

Why so much hate towards younger fans? Maybe, just maybe, they were to young to see phish a few years ago, or maybe they just recently had a friend turn them onto phish...Ive been listening to phish for 15 years, but ive only been to 5 shows. Everyone is new at some point. I enjoy seeing younger kids at the shows. I see younger kids at most jamband and bluegrass shows, and I think its great! I can safely say that no kids in my school where into phish, or bluegrass for that matter. Its good to see the kids shuffling their feet in the right direction=) Welcome newcomers, we're not all wankers, just some of the older, bitter, jaded phans are wankers. Not all, but some. I hope the vibe is better out on the road, good company has always been an important ingredient for phish shows.

I spent a total of 4 hours trying for tickets, and I got my alpine shows and deer creek, but i consider myself lucky.

AND, to some of the more dumb comments posted, not everyone lives near deer creek, so many of us HAVE to use the internet/phone for tickets.

Anyways, lighten up folks, this is gonna be the greatest year ever, and I for one, am excited as hell! =)

listen fuckwad, i tried as hard as anyone possibly could, i gave up when it was sold out. also did phish's pre order, did that for hampton, did it for six shows on the summer tour. You are calling ME hateful for simply pointing out that the huge increase in young phish fans has made it impossible so far for me to get a ticket. meanwhile, you're chastising me for not being able to get a ticket, gloating almost. fuck you.

and yeah, like i also just said, great, kids should listen to phish, phish has changed my life in so many great ways, blah blah. I'm just saying IT SUCKS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE SO HUGE NOW, I CAN'T GET INTO A FUCKING SHOW. you all are the ones that need to chill with the hate. have fun.

I got pwnt, i tred for indiana and wisconsin, locked outta the site only to see there sold out, and selling for 5X the face value....

its sad, ive been waiting 5 years since my last phish show at alpine......noone was more excited then me!

PLEASE, if ANYONE has an extra ticket to alpine valley, PLEASE CONTACT ME. I will pay no more then 60$ for a nice lawn seat (yes i know its above face but im mad)

life is hard. roll with the punches or hit the mat and go down for the count. You think i wasn't straight up denied for hampton lottery/onsale? You think i wasn't denied in the lottery for summer and wasn't shut out of several summer shows? I got lucky and scored tickets to 2 shows, but i'm not blaming phish for being too popular. Thats a joke statement right? Phish isn't gonna EVER get any less popular. Get used to it...shit changes.

If you want to blame someone for your troubles then you can only blame yourself. Your not the only one who was shut out of several shows. Get over it. Or you can hold a grudge like the dude above and stay home mad at the world this summer. You say younger fans are the problem, but i say its older fans like you who are quick to chastize a younger fan that are the problem. Maybe its other "SEASONED veterans" like yourself that make it impossible for ANYONE (young or old) to get tickets. "revole and cycle through, don't keep coming back for more" - frankie sez

Hmm.. Can somebody please clarify for me if I'm a 'noob'? I've seen Phish once, in 04 at Alpine. I've seen them individually every single time any of them played in Chicago. I've listened to more bootlegs than deathtonoobs and Broesau combined.

OH MIGHTY PHISH PHANS IN YOUR INFINITE WISDOM, may I humbly request to be allowed into YOUR Phish shows this summer?

Its not Phish or the demand for tickets(which is high in this case)causing this. Its the goddamn legalized scalping that is happening online for all shows. It happened at WSP on New Years and by the time of the show there were hundreds of extras. It happened with the Dead just recently for Shoreline too. Ticketbastard and Livenation are selling thousands of seats to the huge online scalping companies. Its BS!! Phish or someone should sue them!

Same deal for the Dead, they are claiming the lawn seats at Shoreline sold out on the first day, but yet you can easily get them for above face value at an internet link sponsored by live nation and ticketmaster. Why is that?

Legal scalping plain and simple and it is not bieng done by Phish fans.

whatever, dude, have fun, enjoy your phirst phish show.

I never used the term "seasoned veteran"

I also didn't "blame phish" for being too popular. I just said that it sucks. and once again, thanks for pointing out that you got tickets and i didn't. cock smoker. florida sucks.

Good god, Broesau, I honestly wish I could deck you across the face. I can't fucking believe you would get so pissed about someone "stealing" your seat - yes, because all of us who're 18 and haven't gotten a chance to see Phish yet in our young lives have this personal grudge against you and "your" band. I'm glad and really envious of you that you've already gotten to see them live, and you should feel that same that newer fans are getting the same chance you've already had many times before.

Reading most of these comments made me pretty depressed. Such a short time ago people were overjoyed by the news of the reunion, and now just a bunch of vitriolic comments. First of all, it's great for the people who were actually able to get tickets, but imagine how it feels for the people who didn't get any to have to read about your success. Second of all, I am really happy for younger folks who will get a chance to see one of their favorite bands. If people want to vent, take it on livenation. My lawn ticket for Comcast Center was $42.50, plus $12.85 facility fee, plus $7 ticket fee, for a total of $62! That's outrageous! And what about the band?

I am sure they knew in advance about livenation's outrageous fees, so shouldn't they have known better? Let's be happy for the folks who got tix, and for those who didn't, here's to a Fall or Winter tour.

thats right brosaeu, i got tickets and you didn't MOTHERF*cker! your right about knowing what "sucks" since you are an expert at blowing dicks.

Nicely put ben^

Broesau--your argument is flawed based on the inverse assertion that there are noobs out there who didn't get tickets because of people like you who have already seen phish 10's of times. You are right in saying that the noobs make it more difficult to get tickets but thats not such a remarkable statement, obviously with more people comes higher demand. The point is that everyone is entitled to try and get tickets regardless of age. Having never seen Phish myself, I am glad that you feel in some sensational mindset that I have your ticket.

no, i know its not personal andro, but its a way of looking at it, and i can't help looking at it that way the more i see and hear. i even said in my first post i didn't mean to offend anyone personally, cause its not personal, not sure if y'all read.

i just wanted deer creek and alpine tickets, but fuck paying over face for those shows. Fuck live nation. I might just have to save my cash for this summer and rage at some festies. Def not bustaroo tho

well broesau if you think those yunggins stole yer sheet maybe you n ole merlin can team up wit dem der cops at da shows to bust all dem scalpas and them there kids that STOLE yer seets as you liken to poot it

This is all giving me a headache!!! Some of you People really need to step away from the Computer once in a while and GET OUT MORE!!! As for Broesau, I can understand some of your frustrations with getting shut out of the lottery and public sales that really sucks and you have to read about ppl getting tix to all the shows they put in for, but man LIFE GOES ON!!! There will always be tix in the lot! As far as the NOOB thing goes.... We WERE ALL NOOBS AT ONE TIME OR ANTOHER! Get over it. Sorry just my .02 cents

if sumun stoled sumfin of mind id a dun gone and gots it back, jes sayin

I am going to have much more fun at these shows knowing that there are so many angry pricks out there who swear at teenagers and tell them they can't go because I didn't get my tix. Boo fuckin hoo, grow a pair and deal with it

hey, i just registered this account so i could tell him what a jerk he is, no one wants him around, hence the milion negative votes you asshole....hoo do u think u are tellin kids they cant like phish? death 2 noobs, eh, some philosophy....u must be too ignorant to realize that life is a learning process, we ALL start as noobs.....shmuck

i'm not saying that I condone scalpers (personally i think they are greedy assholes that make sure that no one gets seats at a fair price), but if it boils down to it you can go to any show on the tour. Sure, you might have to pay out the a$$ for it, but there are ways to get into the shows you want to see. No one is "shut out", even from hampton if you got the money to throw down. Like i said i hate the scalpers more than anyone, but if you buy tickets from ticketsnow you are 100% guarenteed to get tickets. BTW....i heard that more hampton tickets were released on ticketmaster last night after the super bowl! WTF? how was anyone to know about it? they are gone now, but fuck me for missing another shot at them.

if you all didn't thumbs down all my comments, you could read them. I never said anyone shouldn't go, whatever, go, I want you to go, have a good time. i beleive i've said that several times. is it crazy that i want myself to go more though? All i've been saying is that the demand for tickets is fucking insane and that sucks.

Got my tickets for their Camden show in June with no problem.

just watch out for those mtv boiling point folks trying to sell you overpriced fake tickets you could lose out on hundreds in cash, om, om, om, om....

How the hell does anyone know the age of anyone who got any tickets?

Fucking Idiots.

i wish you could read your old posts "18 yo kid at deer creek got my seat", "i accept young people i'm just saying THEY STOLE MY SEAT" nobody took anything of yours except your dignity, if those seats were yours and not some 18 year old kid then why do they have the confirmation number?

your right, florida sucks so much that phish:

played a free show in gainesville, fl 10/23/1994,

released 11/15/1995 orlando was as a livephish sbd and video,

played their asses off on 11/02/1996 and released the tweezer from gainesville 1996 as a track on "road to vegas,

played not one but 2 new years shows here in the sunshine state (big cypress = most bad ass phish show of all time and the 2003 new years run which IMHO were the best post-hiatus shows)....so when brosaeu says florida sucks i guess he knows, right?

No seriously though, Florida sucks...it has nothing to do with Phish.

This is bull and the band is a big piece of bull. Nice apology from you publicist. How come they didn't even put their names on the apology. This is just an ego inflated tour to stroke Trey's ego. Nothing more. Screw phish. I hope all the shows get rained out and they have to return all the tickets. they are BIG sellouts.

Everyone should boycott or crash the gates. Take what you want, because they don't care about you never did never will.

one, i don't understand why the band would work with livenation who single handedly is puttng independent promoters out of work. two, why not play larger venues. and three, i find it a little funny that ticket brokers can obtain that many tickets. there has to be a system that can easily be put into place to ensure the fan is first and most important, for if no fan the no band...

BEWARE! People have already begun contacting scalpers and so called "ticket brokers" and getting thier names, emails and/or addresses and sending them to Phish. Phish already has said they WILL cancel ANY orders that are suspect to scalping. They have already started to do so. Unless the person has the ticket in hand you are BUYING AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

If you lose $$ oh well... you were part of the problem to begin with... It is 100% legal for phish AND livenation/ticketmaster to cancel your order.... http://idolator.com/5058272/can-bands-take-back-your-tickets-if-you-scalp-them-the-answer-may-surprise-you

from craigslist.com^

I am sooo happy to see all the positivity usually these comments are full of music snobs arguing over whos the "bigger fan". Its great to see that the vast majority of phish phans are not elitist douche bags. I was introduced to phish, i kid you not the week after coventry, it was love at first listen. Phish has been my favorite band ever since. And just because I was 12 years old when phish last toured doesnt mean im less of a fan. P.S everyone going to alpine bring a shit ton of glowsticks, lets turn it into WWIII!!!!!!!

Yeah most of the fuckin kids anyway who are 18 and under would have had a harder time getting tickets unless they skipped school, which is probably what I would have done back then. Its better to embrace the young than hate the young. We were all young at one point, set an example. Stop being elitist douches who think they own Phish and whoever sells over face is a fucking toolbag in my book. Unless your going bankrupt you have no reason to be selling tickets over FACE.

I got into the the final thing 3 times to pay for tickets and each time there was an error.

i had to get 2 tickets for $200 on ebay

Unfortunatley, Phish is involved in a business. This business makes lots of people happy. No matter what your age is, or how long you've been listening to them is irrelevant. The supply of their tickets is less than the demand for them. Live with it. There is much worse going on in the world, than one not being able to get Phish tickets for whatever reason. Fuck the scalpers. Boycott them!

I like the clever screen names of some posters - i.e bonnarroo>>rothbury>>>allgood and Rothbury fierlds forever. assholes! your names are stupid and no one cares what you say.

Death2noobs is a punk ass bitch.

And anyone who shouts out the Biscuits on this thread is a junkie.

Love the Band Love the Music, hate the strange way they show affection to fans... COVENTRY ??? As A Scene WE pulled that one off, turning a shitty set up into a blast of a weekend, That Thursday night on I 91 WOW!!!, Now this short summer tour ? I just dont get it? Of coarse tickets were going to be practicaly impossiable to get. I might never understand the innerworkings of the Phish orginazation, but I am trusting that they as a band will now be touring seasonaly FROM NOW ON, and I/we should be patient and we will ALL get to be a part of the magic of a PHISH show again. Hopefully a nice long Fall Tour, I've always loved indoor Phish shows more.

I, like many other phans got the shaft on the Hampton tix, but I was lucky enough to get tickets for pittsburgh, deer creek, and both alpine shows all through livenation. But it did take me a long time and I'm sure a ton of people got screwed out of tix, I definitely was surprised that I wasn't one of them. At any rate, the people saying "dont buy from scalpers" are right on point. Think of it like this...if this tour goes well and Phish kicks ass like I think they will, then they will likely tour again and you will have another chance to see them anyway...And if they come out and play like hell and the tour is a failure, then you can rest easy knowing you didn't waste your money going to the shows. Anyway, see yall in June in the 'Burgh - STEELERS ARE THE CHAMPS!!! WOOHOO!!!

By the way Broesau, your a whiny dousch and my guess is Phish hates you anyways, thats the REAL REASON you didn't get a ticket.

i love you guys. no tix for me, see you in the lot.

http://www.interscope.com/artist/news/default.aspx?nid=20320&aid=493

livenation is terrible. i tried to get tickets online and on the phone the minute they went on sale. After about 20 minutes of trying, I finally got through on the phone. just when i was about to give them my credit card info, the call was disconnected on their end. 10 minutes later i got through again and the same god damn thing happened. i will have to resort to spending too much money on stubhub. sucks, but it's what has to be done.

wait as long as you can prices will go down dont be a tool and pay $100s of dollars for one phucking show.

crazyleggedelbow, I love you.

this is all turning me off completely to the whole live phish thing, it just makes me wonder if any of you complaining fuckers are going to be there.

BONNAROO 2009!!!! 2 SETS PLUS A LATE NIGHT SHOW!!! It finally caught up to me! 6 shows for me this summer:)

Whatever happened to the old mail order days?!? Send your money order in and recieve your tickets! Sounds too tough to use anymore huh!?! By the way, I've loved Phish for 12 years now, seen 'em 40 times and I still consider myself a noob!! I think it's awesome that there are so many youngsters wanting to SHARE IN THA GROOVE!!!!!!!!!!

Instead of playing the fox theater in stlouis... they should be playing Busch stadium !!!!

I think everyone on this thread will agree that this video is spot on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHt05aOLu9g

This is there first tour in 4 years and the first tour with a management company not there own. With the economy in shambles and Bands and companies losing money for the past couple years including festivals, why would a new management company want to risk a ton of money in hopes that people will buy tickets and sell out every night. I admit the Fox and Asheville are very small venues, but 15,000 is not that small.

The Fox is beautiful and most bands would love to play that room, Phish decided they would.

There will be tickets available for every show except Hampton, Asheville, and St Louis, people just need to chill out. Blame the fans that bought extra tickets to every night and shows they do not plan on attending just so they have trade bait for the shows they want along with the scalpers.

I for one welcome our new scalper overlords.

Bonnaroo>Roth>AG I hope somebody punches your GD face in and steals your tickets and money. Some of us have to work for a living and you will get no sympathy if that happens. Karma is a bitch, and punks like you are ruining the concert scene.

Oh BTW, I got lucky and got my tickets through the pre-sale but I would rather miss out than pay one of you leeches a penny more than face value. Like Chi-Dodger I welcome noobies and I encourage my daughters to listen to and attend good music instead of American Idol garbage. The only young people I have a problem with are unemployed trash like B>R>A that scalp tickets because they're too lazy to work. See you all at Deer Creek.

Sorry for all of you that are having trouble with tix. I just happend to get lucky and got pre-sale for all the shows i planned on attending. Both night Jones Beach and the one For Camden. See you there!

Could I buy a Jones Beach ticket off you at face? I tried to get just one for like 2 hours.

THEY ARE PLAYING BONNAROO IN 3-D IT IS KANGFIRMED

noobies are cool to the scene!... we were all noobies once.... i remember my 1st phish show in 89 like yesterday but kind of forget my last...seriously!...it is cool to introduce a noobie... we should all be on biscuit tour right now anyways... really reminds me of when phish was just about to blow up.... bisco in msg nye 2009.... with phish of course.... and you think these tickets were hard to get?

live nation and ticketmaster merging...i wonder what coulda spurned that

Sorry if this has been said already, but I like how they understand how screwed up the whole process was, but they didn't offer any solutions. They should have realized there was a problem when the Hampton MO lottery was announced, and they should have come up with a better system. AC/DC has a system in place where your name is printed on the ticket (you have to show ID & the names have to match). They knew there was going to be ticket issues when they decided to come back and they should have planned for it. I have been on the bus since Walnut Creek '94 and I've never been so disappointed by this band. I tried the lottery and ticket agencies for Hampton and summer tour....and no tickets for me. I guess I can rest easy in the fact that the music will probably suck....and at least I've got my Umphrey's.

Busch stadium is for tools.

One more thing, let's take it easy on the new kids....we were all noobs once too (noob isn't always a bad name)....plus, they all have to start somewhere, and at least it's not with something lame.

Bad news on the horizon with LIVE NATION & TICKETMASTER in merger talks according to the Wall Street journal... http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5130LN20090204

This paragraph irks me the most... Live Nation has been trying to boost its thin concert- promoter margins by diversifying into adjacent businesses such as ticketing, which has margins as high as 25 percent versus an average 4 percent from concert promotion.

heard about the possible merger, but here is some possible good news

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_en_mu/springsteen_ticket_glitch

you know "the boss'" fans have a whole lot more influence than phish's. hopefully this will get the ball rolling & end this bullshit ticketing system.

Did anyone try to get Ashville? What about Ticketmaster's ticket brokers having tix 1 min. after they went on sale. I'd much rather deal with Livenation. So stoked to see Phish. See ya at Deercreek.

Boycott the scalper sites! Those things should be illegal.

I miss the days when you could get tickets to phish shows, before all these freckin ebayers and people not going to see the music are trying to cash in, we have got to stop this! I JUST WANT THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why no love for the West Coast I have no idea why they would play such a small tour their first tour back on the road! Ouch... Ill get over it... but... ouch! Hopefully a fall tour out here? Portland Meadows '95 anyone?? California knows how to party!! Favorite Show EVER..soo funky!! Keepin my fingers crossed for some west coast love... cant wait to see you S.B.C. kids...ha..."adults" @ Deer Creek & Alpine!! Peace & Love to all you jambase fools tearin each other up on the boards & to my SBC crew... see ya on the hill for another amazing sunset @ the creek!

Yeah, boycott the free market!

In all seriousness, the amount of whining in here is laughable. I love my tunes as much as the next guy, but missing a show (or a few) for whatever reason(s) is simply a part of life. I missed a Motley Crue show when I was 7 because my grandma died and I think everything turned out to be alright. The ticketing system is the way it is, and no one cares how many wook tears are cried about missing the ______ leg of the Phish tour. The reality of the situation is that most of the people who want to see Phish this tour will not get to. If the shows go alright, there will be more opportunities for everyone. In the meantime, go out and catch a show or two by a different act; there are more than a few bands out there right now that are ripping it up, so find something else to hold you over.

yep didnt get tix

In an idealistic manner, I agree about shutting out the scalpers; but realistically, we live in a capitalist society (thank God). That very well may change soon, and my thought is it won't be for the best. The only way to control free trade (scalping, drug sales, and having fun in general) is through government intervention (prison, etc), and, unless I'm mistaken, us "free loving, screw the man hippies" don't want too much government. A commune is fun in the U.S, when it pertains to free thinkers living on a farm all butt naked, but the word itself expands into communism (which practiced in government equates to poverty and sadness for the masses). Stop bitching about the scalpers (although I fucking hate them, personally). They are working in a free society. Adopt the opportunity to thrive in the most opportunistic society in the world. Either that, or be a non-productive welfare receiver all your life. You have the choice.

they spit in the face of all of us phish fans with their crooked stealing of hampton and summer tour tickets. But they cower in the shadow of bruce springsteen:

Tickemaster responds to Bruce:

Irving Azoff, CEO of Ticketmaster Entertainment, responds.

An Open Letter of Apology to Bruce Springsteen, Jon Landau and the entire Springsteen Tour Team:

While we were genuinely trying to do the right thing for fans in providing more choices when the tickets they requested from the primary on-sale were not available, we clearly missed the mark. Fans are confused and angry, which is the opposite of what we hoped to accomplish. We sincerely apologize to Bruce, his organization and, above all, his fans.

We recognize that we need to change our course. We have committed to Bruce and state publicly here that we have taken down all links for Bruce’s shows directing fans from Ticketmaster to TicketsNow. This redirection only occurred as a choice when we could not satisfy fans’ specific search request for primary ticket inventory, but to make sure there is no misunderstanding in the future, we also publicly state that we will never again link to TicketsNow in a manner that can possibly create any confusion during a high-demand on-sale. Specifically, we will not present an option to go to TicketsNow from Ticketmaster without the consent of the artist and the venue, both of whom work together to bring the joy of live entertainment to millions of fans.

If any fans inadvertently purchased tickets in the resale marketplace believing in error they were purchasing from the initial on-sale, we will refund the difference between the actual purchase price and the face price of the ticket. (Please don’t abuse this good faith gesture - we did not give brokers any preferential access to tickets.)

We are committed to helping deliver the most transparent and best live entertainment experience to fans. We will do better going forward.

Sincerely,

Irving Azoff, CEO, Ticketmaster Entertainment

where's our APOLOGY ticketbastard?

Ok If were gonna talk ticket issues, then let's look at the recent article about Boss fans gettin the raw deal we all had for Hampton. This article just came out and I think its good and bad. http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/stopthepresses/22116/in-bruce-we-trust-uncle-sam-says-no-gouging-the-bosss-fans/

Fuckin same shit happened to most of us yet no one gave a shit. But at least someone is standing up for what is right. Phis On!!! See you in Deer Creek and Alpine Valley.

Right on rizzlesanderson. Where's our fuckin APOLOGY. Fuck Ticketmonger

I guess this might be a good place to throw this out there, but I have 4 tickets to Knoxville that I'd like to trade for Asheville tickets... long story short is i have friends in asheville and would make for a much more convenient trip. Not trying to make any kind of money, just a fair trade.. trustworthy folks only, please

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JOIN MY CAUSE ON FACEBOOK ITS ABOUT HELPING GET US TICKETS

It seems like these ticket companies (livenation/ticketmaster) would have their shit together by now. Phish isn't the only band to sell out like this... Radiohead also was hell to get tickets for. THEY NEED TO FIX THE FING SITE SOMEHOW SO IT CAN SUPPORT THIS KIND OF TRAFFIC. Either that or have a few sites selling tix so that way all the traffic won't crash it. I'm not sure about livenation and ticketmaster, but back in the day I worked at a Karma and they were partnered with scalpers. Those dirty f's would come in and print off stacks of tickets before anyone from the line was let in, either that or they would pay people to stand in line do a drawing for the line and set it up so they would have extra time to print plenty off for them. It was BS! I quit that job after a few months of working there and seeing this a few times.

Can't wait for Deer Creek. Still wish I could have got Hampton tix, but still just happy to get to go. Rothbury made my last summer, what a pleasant surprise, with not so much surprise.

Oh and as far as to the people that say "if you didn't see Phish back in the day, you aren't a fan." F-U That is completely ridiculous. You should be happy that you are cool enough to like a band that has such a following of diverse ages. It just proves how awesome Phish is, that they were gone for 5 years but still their fan base continued to grow. I do get annoyed at some shows with a younger crowd, but as long as they are respectful to other phans and the band and are not there to get all f-d up and act like a jackass...I welcome them, which that goes for anybody no matter the age, if you come acting like an a5s and not being respectful you do not belong there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090204/ap_en_mu/springsteen_ticket_glitch

here's a shorter article with bigger font for all the old people that couldn't read msd413886669's linked article about Springsteen fans throwing a fit and a congressman asking for FTC to investigate... this basically sums it up. I could barely read one word off of the other one...too small and too much.

Any one who is using the term "noob" other than to comment on how fucking pathetic people like "deathtonoobs" sound get a fucking life. Dont bring that term to the jam world. keep that shit in your basement when you playing fucking warcraft and jerking off on your gaming computers. this is phish people.

Welcome to America folks, bunch of young people trying to see a jam band get fucked, nobody cares; bunch of old people trying to see Bruce Springsteen get fucked, let's get congress involved. On a side note, TM and LN are talking merger, I just bought TM stock, if I make enough money maybe I'll spend it on Phish tickets. Capitalism sucks sometimes, but it's the best thing we got, might as well roll with it.

This is such bullshit. I cant believe phish is finally back and all people want to do is make a quick buck. I tried to get tixx to jones beach for hoursand was so pumped to see them at a sick wenue on the water right by my house. Before i could even get though, i saw tickets on ebay goin for over $200. I never got to see phish and prob never will because of the assholes who exploit this comeback to make a few hundred dollars. It sould be about the music and seeing one of the best live shows you may ever see, but i guess some people would rather just be dicks about it and make money. off of it.

Rothburyfieldsforever - you are clearly an incompatent moron. I live in Ohio where Phish is NOT coming, so i have to get online to buy tix to shows, I can't just shoot down to the venue and buy my tix at the box office. Good god man use your head and think about what your sayin before you get on here and start layin that retarded garbage on us. You would be pissed too if you didn't live around the corner from the venue. Hopefully you sell all your tickets and I don't actually have to see you at the show!

I cant believe all this old ass ppl hating on young people who have the same taste in music. I cant control when i was born, and am just glad i still have a chance to see phish. If my mom woulda brought me 2 a phish show wen i was 11 then hell yeah, that woulda been ill. everyone has just gotta stop bein so selfish

PHISH is partly to blame. If anyone they know more than just about anyone in the music business the demand for tickets they draw especially when they have been away for a few years and know they are eagerly anticipated. I feel that the Band/record company should have invested money into making their own ticketing website, the money PHISH loses to ticketing companies would have easily be saved and only a small portion would be lost in the initial investment of a new website dedicated to be able to deal with such HUGE server demands that are demonstrated everytime their tickets go on sale. It is a crime for Ticketmaster to have a sister company STUBHUB which sells tickets for scalpers. For Hampton tickets to go from $60 to $350 is outrageous. I feel the band need to make an effort to protect their phans, since phish phans are a bit more dedicated than most musical group's.

I understand their are hurdles and BS red tape with dealing with venues but honestly these guys are super wealthy and could easily find a few stoner geniuses to make the super bad ass phish ticket website where the band would make more money due to not losing it to ticketing companies, the band would have more control how the tickets are sold and be able to support the internet server demand it needs.

I tried and tried and was lusky to get 3 Burgettstown tickets, being from the Philly/West Chester area that not bad but this was the first time using Live Nation and was very poor first impression. I work in IT and server space is actually quite cheap for the money they are making for selling other people's goods/services. They are just another greedy evil corp trying to eek out every nickel. I only hope Trey/John Phish find a solution, its a bummer to see scum bags selling tickets for %700 over regular price and dedicated fans and new fans not being able to see the show. Why not require having the tickets sold only at the in person ticketmaster locations? Wouldn't that slow down the internet scalper jockeys sitting at home swiping tickets for resale a bit?

Springsteen fans are feeling the scam this morning. Sold out in less than five minutes, with thousands of tickets on ebay, stubhub, ticketsnow...etc.

This has got to be organised crime. Why is this not illegal? I remember people getting arrested in the 90's at dead shows who were scalping tickets. Now because they have a website, it's ok to do it?

Does anyone know how this became ok? There had to a law changed or a loophole or something.

I'd also like to point out that it really makes me sick that the majority of tickets for RE-sale on any of these websites are under the pavillion. Not lawn seats.

Laws of proboblity are completeley broken. The scalpers got first dibs on these tickets.

Colorado State Sen. Ted Harvey, R-Highlands Ranch, called scalping tickets the free market at work.

Harvey moved to indefinitely postpone a bill that would have limited the amount a reseller charges for a ticket, to face value plus 25 percent, or face value plus $5, whichever was greater.

The Senate labor, business and technology committee agreed with a 7-0 vote.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WORKING FOR US. SCUMBAGS!

i saw we organize and rush the door at the FOX because I will be inside that venue one way or another with or without a ticket... im not going to sit on here and whine its all going to be phine!

How is it legal for Ticketbastard to own Stubhub. Isn't that a conflict of interest? Wouldn't Ticketmaster make for money if the people who purchased tickets on Ticketmaster resell them on Stubhub? Ebay you suck cock for allowing these items to be on your site. Phish start selling your own tickets, stop allowing other evil corporations to make money off of you and your fans. I feel it is some responsibility of the Band to direct these changes happen ASAP. To work with a company that obviously allows preferential treatment to Ticket Brokers is really shitty. Who can have any respect for themselves who calls themself a Ticket Broker "hey there I buy concert/event tickets and I resell them at %700, yes you are a scalper. How can a scalper outside a show be arrested but if you do it through stubhub its legal? If you bought gas during the 70's oil crisis and tried selling it at %700 you would be arrested asap. This is complete BS. Trey, Jon DO SOMETHING ALREADY. You are very wealthy, invest the $500,000 to start your own ticket vendor company and do it the right way and stop giving greedy evil corps yours/ and our money to them

Frst off, thanks to the band for finally addressing this issue. I feel it was too little, too late perhaps. The actions taken by "the boss" were a little more poignant than an issued statement. I feel that phish fans deserved to have their voices heard along with the Boss's fans. Heres a little story to illustrate how these "ticket brokers" and scalpers have destroyed the concert scene. Back in 99 i was shut out of one of the 4th of july phish shows at Lakewood in atlanta. This was back in the days when a sell out meant that a show sold out due to fans buying tickets, not scalper agencies getting high allotments of tickets thus forcing a show to sell out like today. I went to a ticket broker in atlanta and was able to buy a ticket. The face value on the ticket was like $28.75 and i ended up buying it from the ticket broker for like $50. That wasn't so bad and that's how buying tickets from a broker should be. Compare that to today with a $50 ticket being sold for $200 - $400 each. The methods employed by ticketmaster and their company owned sites such as ticketsnow and stubhub is a form of organized crime. Not to mention the wild west anything goes markets of e-bay and craigslist. The idea of having tickets with a person's name on them like airline tickets is how this process should be done. If you decided you can't go to the show, then you give your ticket back and they issue it to someone else. This would make sure fans actually got thier tickets, and that people with no intent of going to the show couldn't resell it for 500% profit. The recent Bruce Spreenstein events mirrored exactly the same type of racket that ticketbastard used to steal vast quantities of hampton and asheville tickets. Livenation is no better, and IMO is also guilty of fraud after their whack ass onsales over the past weekend. You notice that once again actual fans came away ticketless in massive quanitities, yet all the sleazy ticket broker houses have their stacks of tickets to sell to line their pockets with profit. I hope this whole mess gets worked out because the proposed merger of livenation and ticketbastard is not going to make things any easier for the hard working fans out here who just want to see a show for a reasonable price.

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^^ that shit made me laugh out loud roggae! is that a trunk monkey?

part of growing up is realizing life sucks. once all you newbie snivelers go to more than two 'real' shows.... i understand its not entirely your fault since there's been no real shows of any kind in about 6-10 years... but nonetheless, once you guys are actually blown away for the first time you'll understand why everyone and their mother wants to see phish. yes, the live rips sound sweet, but just wait til you're under the lights- then there's no going home... and all you silver spoon whiners will finally see how unfair life is.

I totally agree with you funky...people who have never seen em don't understand my obsession. I would've gone crazy if I didn't end up getting tix to a few of the summer shows last minute (star lake, creek, and the alpine shows to be exact). Either way, I still didnt get tix to the Hampton shows, and in all honesty, you can blame it on noobs or ticketmaster or livenation or whatever the hell people are blaming it on, but the fact is the tix were hard to get when they came back to MSG for NYE 02, and now 6 years later its going to be even harder. People are getting on here saying "what happened to good ol' mail order tickets?" Well the year is 2009, and even if they were to do mail order tix there is just too much of a demand and not enough supply. Most of the people who were shut out by livenation last week would have still missed out on tix if Phish did all their ticketing by mail order. Unfortunately thats what happens when you come across something as rare and amazing as Phish. Think about the fact that Nobody, I mean NOBODY, does it like Phish...and given the fact that they have been around for over 25 years now, its no surprise that its this hard to get tickets. One thing you can count on, though, is that if they come out and tear it up like I know they will, and they get back in full swing, there will be plenty more shows for all of us to see....and plenty more for some of us to get shut out of so we can get back on here and do this all again!!!!

I LOVE PHISH SO MUCH! THEYRE SO AMAZING! THEY MAKE ME ORGASM SOOOOOOOO MUCH!

btw, JFJO is offering their new album "Winterwood" as a FREE DOWNLOAD! You should check it out at http://www.jfjo.com. its awesome(i have multiple orgasma to it.)

I was able to get through and snagged 4 tickets for Deer Creek. I managed to finagle my way through the process in about an hour via a ridiculous combination of expert browser navigation, dumb luck, and excessive cussing. The lesson for the day? Persevere and have patience. You can beat the ticket machines!!! mwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! see you at Deer Creek mother bitches!

don't worry Live Nation is going to buy ticketmaster soon

thanks for the video, but i am still ticketless. :( unfortunately i have a job and couldnt spend 3 hrs trying to fight technology for tickets. but youll have that. phish is a great band. and has a lot of dedicated phans. BUT let me tell you what really grinds my gears..... all the phuckers that got through, got tickets and are selling them for some obnoxious value. phuck them! of course the day tickets went on sale, i checked around and couldnt help but let a couple people know how i felt about their selfishness! so if you arent one of the phuckers and did get tickets to PA, WI or IN pllllllllllllease let me know! much love!

actually ticketbastard just merged with LIVENATION!!!!!

i thought things couldnt get any worse

funkymofo you are an idiot, you don't own phish nor is your many years more of being a fan than everyone else makes you more eligible to get tickets before "newbie snivelers go to more than two 'real' shows" You are a jackass to actually think you have a right to complain that younger fans added to the problem of you not able to get tickets. PLEASE get a life and sit and spin. I have been going to Phish shows since 92' and I am happy to see younger people find joy in such a great group of musicians and dedicated fans. It is jerkoffs like funkyMoFo that ruin it for others with their whining about this and that. Wake up and understand that with the internet these tickets for sale are available to anyone on the planet not just people waiting at ticketbastard locations or the actual venue.

less talk....more action.

I got Phucked, thanks Live Nation! and welcome to the all sober no drugs allowed get your ass thrown in JAIL summer tour 09