Obama Remix - Honest Words

...and it begins..

Let's not jump the gun and crown him the next Christ until he actually takes office and does something to change this country. Till then, I think we should hold off a little bit. Glad Bush is moving out of the white house, but being elected president, and making a differance as president are 2 different things. Hopefully Obama's plan will work better than Jimmy Carter's did a while back, but only time will tell.

The Era of Good Feelings revisited. kinda like a GD renaissance, utopia and what not

ps didnt watch the video

I was lucky enough to see Ben Sollee last night at the Basement in Nashville, and was blown away by his tune "A Change Is Gonna Come." Perhaps it was even more special as it was his first live performance after the election; he was truly gooshing with joy, as was everyone in the room. The song went from a prospectively hopeful song to a celebration of what has become.

no more politicians in jambase.......who's with me?

even though obama's the man.... i'm just tired of this shit already

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No one is jumping the gun. As a native of Detroit, there have been several off-seasons where I've been very impressed with the draft picks the Detroit Lions have made only to be railroaded the same as before. Obama may be a bust, but god damn he's brought a sense of hope to the youth of mainstream America that I've never seen and let's face that it's mainstream America that needs to get lifted (if you catch my drift). Even if he sucks, today it feels good. I mean, even our medicinal marijuana proposition passed this week. I'm cool with the Obama press. Let him mess up before you tire of him.

was considering going to see Sollee at IOTA this weekend...not anymore

Yeah Obama has filled the country with lot's of hope. I HOPE the gov't pays my mortgae...I HOPE the gov't pays all my healthcare bills...I hope I can get some money from a rich dude for doing nothing to earn it..

yeah massachusets passing the decriminalization of mary jane was awesome..that and california telling the gays to go have a civil union was also another hidden victory

election is over, hopefully the "change" will be made, now lets get back to music and drop the politics. this is jambase not npr.

Good to see a demmy-crat back in the office, but lets face facts folks, democrat, republican, independant, commie...it dont matter. The economy is proper fucked and were all about to go out into the shitstorm.

I live in Chicago, and I didn't vote for Obama. Reason being, his "tax reform" puts my employment in jeopardy. I hope for change in this country, but I have bills like everyone else, and if my employer has to choose between paying more in taxes, as well as a personal paycut, or cutting payroll to save money, my guess is 9 out of 10 will cut payroll (fire employees). With that said, I choose to vote green, not in the interest of Ralph Nader, but to support a 3rd party, which in time I hope can become a true contender in our presidency. I also think they could have run almost anyone against the republicans and won..........and you can thank the current president for that. Obama hasn't showed me anything yet (even as my state senator), and until he does, I just can't get even the least bit excited about this guy.

Heres what happens in the next year or two. Immediately following obama's inauguration there is going to be a massive, immediate collapse of the US economy with overnight inflation. This will immediately make obama unpopular, because there isnt going to be anything he can do about it. So before you know it the people in this country are going to be pointing the finger at, not the president, "the first BLACK president". This is going to spark racial consternation in this country like we have never seen it. As riots break out due to people being poor its going to move into violent vitriol against black folks. As this builds obama is going to invoke presidential directive 51, signed by bush, as well as the patriot act and the defense authorization act of 2008. This means marshall law. To make up for the orchestrated economic collapse all these people who get rounded up via this marshall law are going to put in all those fema camps that haliburton so nicely built for us over the past 15 years. While all of this chaos plays out you are going to see the most incredible phsychological warfare in the history of the species play out on your TV sets. Thats right, there will be plenty of football while this is all going on. The psyop will be directed at getting people to accept getting rid of the united states in the name of world govt. The economic collapse is global. World govt= a global solution for a global problem. Dont be fooled by the world govt rhetoric, its the same thing that tyrants all across history have worked for. Whether it was the egyptians, babylon, rome, greece, aztec. Its all the same thing. World govt, or if your a peasant, world empire. This is what George hw Bush meant in 1991 when he gave that speech about a "new world order". Think im crazy? Guess what, its already begun. Type obama youth in a youtube window and watch the video of young african americans in military garb talking about how "because of obama i aspire to be the next "insert goal". This is frighteningly similar to what happened in itally as musolini came to power. Or just look to the past months "bailout" of the international bankers. Please be aware of the terms they use. Bailout. From where is someone bailed out? Jail. For what? Criminal activity. The govt is admitting the bankers are criminals and they are using YOUR MONEY to bail them out. And when the congress voted it down at first, who came in to rally support for the banksters? It was obama who spoke to the senate to pass the senate version of the bill. This man is a judas goat who is going to lead the people of this country, black, while, whatever, off the cliff into the most heinous form of tyranny. If you dont think that they would do that think of the million dead iraqi men womena and childen. Think of all the people around the world who starve due to the imperialism of the anglo-american establishment. Dont be fucking stupid. I dont give a flying fuck if the grateful dead voted for obama, he is a the condom that the new world order uses to protect themselves while they fuck the american people to death. And when the american people get all pissed off, the soiled condom will be thrown to the wolves and obama will be torn from limb to limb. Dont think things are that orchestrated? Well riddle me this, obamas foriegn policy advisor was a man named zbignew brezinski, mccains foriegn policy advisor was a man named ian brezinski. Nuff said. Take a look at the cabinets of the past 6 presidents and then look up how many of those people are members of the council on foriegn relations and tri-lateral commission. These are the two senior think tanks that promote globalism. What is globalism? A movement that promotes a one world economy, one world society and a one world govt. In other words, global babylon where a ruthless elite dominate the sub-classes using advances psychological methods of consent manufacture, read edward bernayse and bertran russel to get an idea of what this means. And if you think this new world order conspiricy is bullshit then take a look at carrol quigleys 1200+ page book, tragedy and hope which outlines the methods and historical events that prove it. This man was a georgetown professor who was hired by the CFR to be thier archivist. While he wasnt opposed to the world govt conspiricy he however didnt think all of it should be secret so he wrote a 1200+ page book spilling the beans. This guy was clintons mentor and clinton mentions him in one of his inaugural speeches. Quigley was a globalist, clinton was a globalist, bush was a globalist, and so is obama and his criminal cohorts.

Jambase, if you want to stick your finger in politics while still representing the free-spirited community of the festivals, why the fuck dont you report on this. Instead you have ignorantly promoted the puppet obama. And for all of you out there who think im a mccain supporter think again! Mccain is a dead man who was never meant to win. He is a discusting puppet who was put in there to limit the debate. The two political parties are bought and paid for by the same interests and they keep thier charade going to give the public the illusion of choice. The fact of the matter is until the american people recognize the system is rigged and refuse to vote for either a dem or a rep we are going to be perpetually screwed. Jambase, you are clearly run by a bunch of stupid, ignorant sheeple who doesnt know thier asshole from thier earhole. I love music of all sorts and jambase has always been the source of information on all the bands I appreciate. Please stay the fuck out of this unless you are going to give a well thought out analysis bassed on historical facts. This god-king promotion of a robotic new world order puppet is a disgrace and dont think it is lost on me that you are using this (jambase) as a platform to put out your political beliefs. That is not what i came here for and i dont think many other people have either. I dont know where any of you stand, and i dont give a dog shit either. I am speaking directly to the jambase management here. Anyone who reads this will be educated none the less, and that is good. Please, dont believe the hype. The revolution has started. Ron paul threw the gauntlet down during the primary and the movement has grown greatly since. The media would have you believe everyone either supports obama or mccain. A huge movement for freedom and liberty is growing in this country and has respect as its foundation. This revolution will restore the constituitional rights of every american or any race or religion. The founding fathers fought and died for our freedom. They were fighting against the same world empire system that we now face today. I for one state loud and clear, give me liberty or give me death...

That was amazing. Thank you JamBase. Feels good to be an American... finally!

delany,

i'll bet you a dollar that none of your prophetic conspiracy theories beyond a troubled economy pan out before 2012.

delany,

youre supposed to pass the Kool-Aid, not drink the whole effing cup....move to your shack in the woods and await the rapture with the rest of the freaks

mfgoof^

That's fucking hilarious about the Detroit Lions...

everybody still talks about change, but there is going to be no realistic change because obama is still part of a major party. third party people (barr, paul, romney) are the people with new ideas on how to improve the system considering obama is part of the system. i hope obama does well and brings our country forward. on the off chance that there is a major disaster, lets try to elect a new party to office instead of the old regime. libertarianism

Okay Delaneyira, you said you could keep it secret if I told you, thanks alot loud mouth!!! Now please get back on your meds, I just spoke with Jerry and Elvis, they both agreed that without them you're fucking looney!!!

I don't know that Obama is the answer but I certainly hope he's the answer and, if nothing else he's brought some light to a very dark time in history. Now that he's in the seat, we can see if he can do half of what he was hyped up to do. He certainly is part of "the system" but there are varying degrees and I for one am hopeful he tilts us back in a decent direction. Time will tell....

The election is historic. For the second time in her life Michelle Obama was proud of her country. Way to go Michelle.

Obama accomplished the same thing Bush accomplished 8 years ago... he got elected. Like someone said before, lets all relax and wait for Obama to actually get this country back on its feet before we bow down and worship him like a bunch of assholes.

It's too bad that no one is talking about the cello guy at all. I guess that's part of the deal though, no? It is an exciting time to be alive. No, I can't pay my mortgage, I can't pay my student loans, I drive a '91 Dodge Dynasty, I buy 2nd hand clothes and don't own an IPOD or have an internet connection at home (on my dad's computer, and I'm 32!) and you know what's been going on over the last 8 years? Is it a coincidence that I graduated from a big 10 school in 2000? That's when the shitstorm started, and hopefully 2008 is when the shitstorm will end. I can't find enough illegal ways to make money and feed my family. Doesn't anyone smoke weed anymore? Most of your parents probably voted for bush (and mine), and your grandparents voted for BOTH bushes, its time for our generation to get off their asses and make something happen. I think Tuesday was a new beginning. Now, who has a bottle opener?

I for one am perfectly fine with the political articles Jambase chooses to run.

Delany, you said you're tired of political articles on this site, but look! this one caused you to write a book!

I watched the video and it was one of the cheesiest things I have ever seen. Definite cheese. politics aside.

Lots of mixed reaction from this article. Lets try and hit on all points. The cellist guy here, doesnt sound like a bad gig to catch, and the video wasnt that bad but will have to look more into his non political stuff unless thats his schtick.I do think that we all are part of history. Definatly am hoping for the change, but i do understand that its not goin to happen over night. maybe it will come maybe it wont who knows? Also agree with the folks mentioning 3rd parties should be more involved on the big scale with democrats and republicans. Not one to rant or bash on these things but the guy/gal that wrote that long ass paragraph, our for fathers did fight and die for this country, but they were also a bunch of guys that didnt want to pay taxes anymore. thats one of theh main reason for them leaving england...sorry had to touch on that. any ways lets all just sit back relax and crank up the tunes. A good show to one and all...enjoy

Obama is a mere puppet of the New World Order!

All you people who are like, ohhh, i just HOPE obama works out for the best, OHHH,OHHH OHHH. Hope!! oBAAAAAAAAAAHma oBAAAAAAAHma! You stupid fucking sheep. Your going to hope your way into a fema camp. Youll sit there and make fun of me but are you going to go to youtube and type in bilderberg group? You going to type in obama youth and watch the embryonic stazi youth brigades? You going to take a look at the executive orders passed under bush that obama is going to use? No, your too busy hoping. Look puppies, what are you going to do when the supermarket shelves are empty? What are you going to do when the farmers cant plant anything because the banks dont make credit availible? Its already happening. But hey, as long as there is a crunchy guitar solo going on somewhere youll probably love it. Face it, obama is a stooge. He just hired Rahm Emanuel or his chief of staff. The fucking guy is the son of a zionist terrorist. His foriegn policy advisor is zbignew brezinski who created the tri-lateral commission. He plans on keeping bush's secretary of defense robert gates. You are going to see the bush administrations policies go bezerk when the depression sinks in for real. All i have to say to you guys out there still drinking the coolade, good luck trying to take care of your starving children. You could investigate what im saying, find out its true, and make a little bit of preparation. Or you can continue to drink the coolade. Hope will not feed your children...

I don't know what to say.

just wait and see huh?

better go get your guns now since you are so afraid of your future.

now turn all this paranoid ranting into something useful please :)

THAT IS AN AWESOME VIDEO! regardless of partisanship or which side of the aisle you choose to stand, that vid production and song were sick. What a great production. What a pleasure to watch. (love 'obama on the water silo in the background)

Delaneyira- Great, you are a nut job who believes in conspiracy theories and you think I'm a "fucking sheep". Well, you are screwed up in the brain and I think you are a dangerous person who needs medication and mental counciling, so can we call it even? You're first clue of mental illness is yuo are getting your information from youtube!!! Even if you're right, guess what? I can take care of my family even if I have to live off the land (and even then I'd still think you were crazy). I apologize to the others for my rant but I'm sick of this mental case talking complete garbage. It seems every time I happen to read an article I come across his crap. STFU!!!!!!!!

I'm real worried that one of our fellow jambasers, Delaney, is scared. will someone please go hold his hand and tell him everything is gonna be alright? Jeez, nothing like an intense election to bring out the closet conspirators. Hey, Delaney, it's 2 days later. Can you tell the tremendous difference yet? didn't think so. anywho...it must really suck to be a scared pathetic psycho hunkered down in your cave. Hey, if you like caves so much, I've heard Afghanistan has some really good ones with multiple rooms and all.

Look at you. Calling me crazy, believing in conspiricy theories. Tell that to the dead Iraqi children. Tell that to the poor folks who are getting laid off and losing thier houses. Tell that to the latin americans whos countries were destabilized by the CIA and the KGB. Fuck man, you dont even check out the things i say. Rahm Emanuel, look him up. Check out what his father did, his father was a zionist terrorist. This guy is obama's new chief of staff. All of you people calling me scared. Your the ones who are scared. All im doing is expressing my first amendment right and all of you guys are bitching and moaning because im verbally assaulting your new deity, obama. Go ahead, i dare you to read presidential directive 51. Do you guys love the patriot act? I garuntee obama does not repeal it. You guys love the iraq war? I garuntee he does not end it. You want war with iran or pakistan? Your going to get one or the other, or both. How does it feel to know that your tax dollars are being spent around to the world to kill children? How does that feel? How does it feel worshiping a man who has as his advisors zbignew brezinski who brags in his book about creating the mujahadeen with osama bin laden and staging attacks using arabs against the soviet forces. THE MAN ADMITS IN HIS BOOK TO MANIPULATING THE SOVIETS INTO A WAR THAT COST OVER A MILLION AFGANI LIVES. And that doesnt bother you does it? Little afgani kids, blown into little peices. All paid for by the slovenly american sheeple. Listen to you people call me a conspiricy theorist. So is every attorney, judge, police officer. When you get brought to court on charges, you get charged with conspiricy to commit (x). Go to the FBI website, look at osama bin ladens file and you will find that 911 is not listed as one of his crimes. And when the head of the FBI was questioned on this he said "we dont have 911 listed in his crimes because we dont have any hard evidence that he was responsible" Thats not me saying that, its the head of the FBI. So we invade two countries and kill 100s of thousands of people and we cant even charge the man who caused such a reaction. Did any of you watch obama's speech he gave the other day to the american isreali political action committee? He sounded exactly like george bush. He says that "iran is working to creat a nuclear bomb" even though americas 16 inteligence agencies in thier last inteligence assesment said they were not. So where is obama getting this information if all of the intel agencies are saying its not true? But hey, laugh it up fuzzball. Your worse than a bunch of fucking wookies. Grumbling and moaning. No!! dont challenge my beliefs in my infallible govt. America is good. It could never happen here. There is no criminals in govt. Obama is going to change everything! Grow up children. This is the real world. What do you think is going to happen if there is another terrorist attack? Or if the economic collapse worsens quickley and masses of people are out of the job? Your all so god damned ignorant to the facts. Take the bailout. Whats going to happen when the 700billion dollars worth of inflation hits and cuts the value of the dollar considerably? What are you and your families going to do when the price of bread starts to double every day like in pre-nazi germany? Dont you understand? The economic collapse in germany before hitler came about due to an incredible debt owed to the allied powers. The wiemar republic(govt of germany at the time) had no choice but to just print money willy nilly. And the price of a loaf of bread doubled everyday for a long time. Before too long the depression was very widespread and people were desparate. This is how hitler was seen as an option to the people. The people were starving and "HOPING" for a cure. Hitler claimed he had all the answers. And when he was checked by the parliment, he and his scum bag cohorts staged the burning of the riechstag(german parliment building) and declared himself furer, the parliment did not dare oppose him. He already had his jackbooted thugs and after the "terrorist attack" they were looking for any excuse to bust heads. After this hitler passed the enabling act criminalizing dissent and allowed for the instituitinalizing of the gangs in the name of "homeland security". And then it was off to the races. Now anyone who can read that and not see the historical parralel clearly does not have control of thier own cognative abilities and can accurately be described as mentally dead. In other words, zombie. But if you read that and say, hmmm, perhaps this guy is on to something there might be hope. I dare you to read the history of the wiemar republic and compare it to the past 15 years in america. We are seeing the same script but the segments have been moved around like in a tarentino movie. Its happening in a different order but the end result will be very simmilar. Moving along, I dare you to look up in google, "civilian detention facilities/haliburton". If you want this from a "reputable source" why not just search the san francisco article by daniel hamburg(former congrsssman) called "rule by fear or rule by law" In this article the congressman blows the whistle on the civilian detention facilities all over the countries. Capable of holding millions of people. Need more info of the parallel how about a name. BUSH. Presscott bush was GWB's grandfather. Back during WWII he was fined thousand and thousands of dollars as well as having some of his assets siezed under the trading with the enemies act. Bush along with harriman and all the other wall street banksters were funnelling wall street investment money into the german millitary industrial complex. Now think about this. Germany goes from being a totally impovershed nation under a mountain of debt into being the most powerful military power in the history of man, up until that time at least. Where did all that money come from? Wall street and the "city of london". Stop being conned. Stop being stupid. These wealthy bankers dont get to own 99% of the world by being stupid. Turning the tables. 99% of the world has nothing specifically because they are stupid. Oh yea, btw these finance oligarchs also own 99% of the media. I wonder why you have never heard any of this information that INCRIMINATES THEM! But dont worry. This is all just conspiricy theory. And because some random dude let out a smarmy little smirk and called me a conspiricy theory its ok to disregard everything i say. No need to maybe check out any of this stuff. How many of you have had your 401k reduced in the recent economic troubles? How many of you ahve been laid off in the past year? How many of you noticed the price of food rise in the past year? How many of you have noticed the stock market go up and down, 500points a day. How does any of that make sense? How does it make sense that the govt uses our tax dollars to bailout all these banks that engaged in fraudulent banking practices? Does it not piss you off that they are putting this entire nation into even more incredible debt? Do you think russia and china and japan are going to just sit back patiently as the govt and american people default on all of thier loans? Shit, i dont know whats going to happen. But the facts listed above are not conspiricy theory. They are facts that have been assembled into a picture that may or may not play out. In light of historical analysis it seems that there will be great change in the next couple years but for fucks sake they are not going to throw us a bone. Dont ever think the govt is going to do something to help you unless you demand it. Right now people cant even admit that the govt has gone rogue as they devalue our currency and steal pentions and anuities. The global corporations and international bankers litterally have hijacked our govt and mass media and used them as an engine of global empire. Its time to wake up and admit this...

futhepharmer(as well as a few other jambasers)----- You know, you can pick on Delaney all you want, but here's a fact for you, I Just found out this morning that that the company I work for has CUT OVERTIME for the rest of the year, as well as letting employees know thier will be no immediated payraises in the near future, as well as we're downsizing in 09. Even with the financial crisis, business is good for us right now, but with the "Obama tax reform", it won't matter. I'm not so worried about "NWO world Gov't", but more worried that Obama's reform will end up leaving THOUSANDS UNEMPLOYED. In fairness to my company's owners........it's thier company to run they way they want to. My bosses(and many other's in the USA) know that the reform will be a complete SHITSTORM for privatly owned, non-union, small buisiness which gross over a quarter mil a year. They are not missing a beat and starting to save money immediatly. THIS WILL BECOME A COMMON TREND AMONG BUSINESSES IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. that scares me much more than an "NWO Gov't". With that, DO NOT tell me I'm paranoid, and maybe look at your own employment situation and wonder if it may effect you as well. Think about that. Even if you don't fall under that, do your customers or clients? And if they can't keep thier doors open, will you be able to keep your's open?

I'm not trying to be a dick about this, but I would like some feedback on that. This is the reality that I'm (as well as many others) facing right now, and I'm NOT sorry, but I can't support this guy if he puts my employment in jeopardy, without even thinking about how much more he's taking from people besides tax dollars.

smokey82832, I hope you get aids and die really fast. I dont go to work all day and pay taxes so that you can collect a govt paycheck, sit on your fat ass all day and smoke pot. Who takes care of you when your a child? Your parents. YOu want the govt to pay your bills? Whos your daddy motherfucker... SLAVE...

chidodger, man i know what your saying. All of these companies dont know wtf they are going to do. The banks are cutting back on loans and this is naturally leading towards a depression in business expansion. Now, how does this fit into my own NWO analysis? Its rather simple. Lets take a look at this situation of businesses having trouble due to banker restrictions. The past 20 years of incredible economic growth has been due in large part to deregulation of the banking industry. In the past when someone deposits money in a bank, the bank could then loan that money out on a 10:1 ratio. This is called fractional reserve lending. The math reads like this. A person deposits 10$ then the bank takes that 10$ puts it in thier vault and then loans out 90$ bassed on that 10:1 ratio. Now this is inherently illusory because the bank is, in effect, creating money out of thin air when they loan out more than is in thier vaults. During the deregulation of the 80's, 90's and on the 10:1 restrictions on the fractional reserve policy were reduced to 50:1, 100:1, and in some cases totally removed. This allowed the banks to loan money out like crazy. This is how they(banks) got away with giving a home loan out to someone with no job and no savings. They didnt care because the money is comign out of thin air. Now, at the end of the clinton administration, clinton repealed the "glass/stiegle act" which used to prohibit banks and brokerage firms from merging. This act was to protect the consumer because there is an inherent moral hazard when the loaners of money merge with the investors of money so to speak. This alows banks investment firms like JP morgan to merge with Chase manhatten bank. Creating JP morgan/chase. So now were in a situation where these bankers from a very high level and manipulate the entire market in some cases. I mean, you merge the biggest loaners and the biggest investors and all of a sudden they are going to start loaning themselves money and playing the stock market against itself. This is how the nasdaq buble and the housing bubble was created and played itself out with only the most powerful interests being served. Now they also did something else. They started writing off the morgages people owed them as assets instead of liabilities and started selling these overseas as tripple A rated securities. This is what hides the inflation. Well in the past year the game they have been playing has started to break down and the foriegners have stopped buying these morgage backed securities. This is what has caused the glut in the economy. A link in the chain has been cut. Now they are turning to the federal reserve to print money and give it to the bankers in the form of the bailout to keep the control scheme going. And obama was instrumental in getting that to pass the senate. You see, this is why i get up here and write huge essays trying to explain this to you people. You dont have all the facts so you make your assumptions bassed on an incomplete data set. This is why what im saying sounds so outlandish. Believe me, in 6 months what im saying wont appear so crazy. They(elite) have basically declared war against free humanity. Dont think thats being lofty. Face it, these people are financing all the dictatorships all around the world because they keep thier workers in line and working for barely subsistance. They are now ready to bring that austerity to america. Obama is not going to reduce your taxes. That is the most rediculous lie. And if he does you better buy a huge pickup truck because your going to need an ATV to travel on the deteriorating roads. The taxes that should be eliminated are the income taxes. They are unconstituitional. But youll see, he will not eliminate the income tax because that money goes to the bankers whom he serves. Look at who funded his campaign, and mccains for that matter, THE BANKERS AND CORPORATIONS. Look folks this is not some prediction from someone who recons himself a prophet. Im not, i just read alot of govt documents and think tank whitepapers so i can see the writing on the wall. I never watch TV and i refrain from eating anything artificial. NO MSG, no diet soda(asparatame) and no fluoridated water. You do those things and believe me youll be as freaked out at what you see as I am. You know its interesting to see these attacks coming from the supposed "hippie" community that always whines about people downing them and freedom and this and that. You see me expression my free speech and its a horrible thing. You know i do when i see something i dont like, i just say fuck him and ignore it. Now, this NWO stuff is going to have a tremendous effect on our lives in the near future. We cant keep ignoring this stuff. What do all of these politicians like bush and clinton mean when they say they want a new world order? Look it up, they always try to explain it, if they even address it, in the most ethereal, philosophical terms. In other words, use a whole bunch of fluffy language that really doesnt say anything substantive. They cant tell the truth about this because if they did people would see it for what it is. A global orwellian fascist state where the publics thoughts and emotions are manipulated by a scientificly motivated elite. And i dont mean it in a science vs religion context. Im not religious. I mean it in a science vs free humanity context. Look around the world, tyrants are massing greater and greater control and america is no different. What is going on here? Why does it seem freedom is dissapearing from the earth? Maybe these politicians and bankers who have incredible power might have some responsibility. Especially when they admit it in thier books like david rockefeller does.

chidodger and delaneyira- There are several issues that delaneyira is wrapping into one, and then blurring as best as possible. While I am responding, I will not go into detail on each one of your hyped storylines. You are a fool, not me, for your buying into a utopian world that while I would LOVE to live in (and I mean it sincerely), I am sane enough to realize that it ain't happening. So when you try linking all the players into a devious movie plot, yes, I call you on it. There's much more to each one of your rants than black and white. You can try and drag tears from me by mentioning all the dead children (and I do care very much) but all you do is point fingers, where's the solution... a real one, not a crazy clueless idea???? What are you doing other than thinking you're in the know and calling people "fucking sheep"? Is that the answer??? You need to wake up!!!! As f/ your BS about me trying to stiffle your 1st Amnt. rights, again you become insane, you sound like a child... "that's not fair, umph.." grow up, please! I ask you to shut up because this is not the place for you soapbox. Me neither and now I've sunk to your level. My bad... chidodger, I feel bad for you and all the others who are suffering in one form or another. However, what you're referring to is essentially greed. Greed caused the mess that we are in now. Democrats and Republicans, politicians and citizens, are both to blame, Democrats had the idea of giving everyone a home, an honorable intention (granted with strings attached). People saw it as a way to make money... you want a mortgage, here we'll give you a boatload even though it's obvious that you can't afford it now, much less if anything goes wrong. That was BS and so was accepting the boatload of cash! A simple saying "the rich keep getting rich, while the poor get poorer" is an easy way to look at why Obama would suggest taxing people whose income is over $250,000. He would raise it back to where it was when Clinton was in the WH, from 35% to 39.6%. Do the math and see what the increase is. Were you employeed when Clinton was in the WH? I was and I bought the house that I still live in today, accepting only what I could afford. It's not a drastic change, but of course those who make more than 1/4 million dollars don't like it, as do those who don't understand it. I'm sorry about your position but do you honestly believe that a better solution would be to continue to tax the middle class (who are the backbone of the US economy)? If they can't buy anything, no need for your door to be open.

I would like to go on but I'll stop. chidodger, I am not trying to take shots at you, in fact, I'd discuss things further with you if it could be done outside of jambase, or maybe jambase could set up a forum for political/economical discussion that would keep us from getting off-topic...

Thank you for that response. I HOPE your wrong, but I'm definatly paying attention to what your saying. I think alot of young, minority, and anti-Bush voters jumped on the Obama bandwagon, not realizing what his plan actually is, and that it just may be headed to the same place as the bush/mccain bandwagon. For instance, I work as a warehouse/shipping manager, and have about 20 minority co-workers who were high fiving eachother on weds. After this morning's news at my work, they're not too excited about Obama anymore, as well as realizing now(2 days after they voted for him) that he may not be the best fit for thier future. I know the last 8 years sucked, but I'v gone from someone who cared very much for world issues, beyond our country, and now all i'v been thinking about is where am I going to live in 2 years if the shit hits the fan.......and I can't help but think that the shit is already on it's way there.

also-Keep speaking your mind, it's your right. And way to call out Jambase on this one....like gasoline on a fire.

delaneyira- Wow, you go from wihsing someone would die from AIDS (can I say crazy) to actually submitting a fair piece (for the most part). That, end the end, is all I was hoping for. I'd read your comments all day if they were as reasoned as your last (the one to chidodger) and you might get your point across to others too!

Useurhead----Thank you for the response. I understand the GREED issue, but in a world where everyone is looking out for #1, I think most business owners will choose keeping thier pockets fat, opposed to paying more in taxes, taking a paycut, and being forced to grin and bare it. I'm only 26 years old, and was still in highschool when the clinton era ended, so I am not too familar with as much back then as I am today. I understand what your saying, but my job is in jeopardy, which will ultimatly effect MY ENTIRE LIFE. So, I'm sorry, But I can do without Obama's policies, as for the man himself, as I said in my first post, time will tell on that one.

The initial intent of my writing here was to give jambase a hard time for promoting obama, even if it is implicit. Im not stupid, i understand how people keep things implicit for a reason. When i got into writing I saw it as an opportunity to put out some information. This is an information war more than it is anything else. You are looking for some answers and i definetly have some. But just like an alcoholic you cant even begin to talk solutions until you admit there is a problem. Im sorry but i dont see enough people admitting there is a serious problem in govt. And it goes lightyears beyond just simple greed. There litterally is a concept called social engineering and there are secret meetings that take place outside of the public eye like the bilderberg group and bohemian grove. These things have been proven true. This year the bilderberg group even released its attendance list and sure enough it included european royalty, bush administration people, federal reserve chairman bernanke, other career politicians, super bankers like david rockefeller, and theres also this, At the same time the bilderberg group was meeting, hilary clinton and barak obama snuck away from thier media entorage and had a little meeting together. This was back in the beggining of june, those who follow this will remember this because the media made a big deal out of it. But the media didnt mention that in the same place, a the same time this bilderber ggroup was meeting. Now i dont know if they ended up going there but it sure is suspicious. IDK. So what are we to do with ourselves? Good question. First thing we need to do is admit that there is a serious problem with our society and it is systemic. From our perception of the world to our rullers rulling us. We need to understand that there is this thing called manufacturing of consent. Read edward bernays and bertran russel for more information on how are thoughts are molded without us even realizing it. Then we need to start talking about what kind of govt we really want. My opinion is we need to go back to following the US constituition. It is my opinion that the constituition was the finest example of human philosophy in the history of the species. The founding fathers realized that in a world full of different people with different ideas the thought of a utopian society was a fantasy and really isnt possible. So they devised a system of law(constituition) that would protect the rights of citizens and to make the point that these rights are granted by no man they called them "god given rights". They wanted to make teh point that its not like you can just take these rights away. In todays world i dont think we need to get god involved, that always fucks things up. However the philosophy of the document is still very relevent. The fact of the matter is people should be able to do whatever they want so long as it doesnt DIRECTLY inhibit the rights of someone else. And this lead to private property rights. Private property rights had, up until this time, largly been consolodated into the moneyed and noble classes. The constituition stated that everyman had a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness. Not the right to free healthcare, welfare, right to sit on ones ass and milk the labor of hard working people. Now alot of people like to get smarmy here and say, hey, they owned slaves. Well this is why they left the constituition open to be changed. They knew society would evolve and would need a law that was able to be evolved along with social development. Amendments... Jefferson later in life did in fact reflect on how unjust slavery was. Also keep in mind that these folks fought a huge war for thier independance and freedom and were weary of fighting with each other over things. So that aside what does that mean in the present time. We need a president who will get elected and immediate repeal all the unconstituitional executive orders and signing statements over the past 100 years. Once that bullshit is taken care of with teh stroke of the pen the country should be lobied to put people in congress who are willing to abolish the federal reserve. Once this has happened all money in america should be issues via the tresury as the constituition says. And a debate should be held over gold/silver standard and whatnot, its a tough debate and it must be had. I would say that over time a gold/silver/platinum standard should be fazed in as we accumulate the resources to provide the standard. Moving back to this constituitional system inflation would quickley grind to a halt. Dont come to me with these rediculous ideas that going to a constituitionally bassed money will bring economic growth to a halt. There were periods in american history where we had real money and the growth was incredible. And the result was a more equitable distribution of wealth. The federal reserve system has, over 100 years, created incredible upward consolidation of weealth where now .2% of the population owns 95% of the wealth. They did this by attaching debt to ever single dollar printed. This debt was paid for by our income taxes. To prove the point that these two things are functionally links i have one thing to say. BOth the 16th amendment(income tax) and the federal reserve act were both passed in the same year, 1913 because the private bankers were not willing to garuntee currency loans unless the govt garunteed thier payments. The american people were litterally held up as collateral. And our income was all of a sudden a lawful target of taxation. Not to the govt but to the private federal reserve. The income tax started out as a fraction of a percent but over time as debt mounted it was slowly raised up to where it litterally hamstrings any kind of upward mobility in the economic sense. Its like the previous posts have mentioned. The middle class is predatoriallly taxed. And look i know obama says he is going to fix this but i warn you, he is not going to help the middle class. If middle class income tax is cut i garuntee they come up with some sort of way to attack the middle class in another way. The bankers who funded his campaign greedly want to destroy the middle class much in the same way a dominant male will kill the cubs of a smaller male in a lion pride. The upper class in human society has always been predatory towards the middle classes. This has been the case all the way through human history and to ignore that fact is utter folly. Now, the greed factor. It is my opinion that the greed excuse is only that. An excuse. People hold that up as an excuse to not accept the facts of the bilderberg group and international bankers. They go, nope, theres no conspiricy its just greedy fucks who are taking advantage of people. At one level thats true but its much to simplistic to describe the full nature of the problem. These people at the top have become so greedy that they litterally have been chemically dumbing people down all around the world with fluoride in our water(which was first used in concentration camps to "reduce the will of the prisoners to escape") mercury in our vacinnes, and aspartame and MSG in our food. GMO crops has something to do with this as well. There is this theme that keeps popping up, its called eugenics. Go back to hitler for a moment. Why did he use the IBM punchcards to cataloge peoples traits and bloodlines? When you read the nazi literature it becomes obvious. They were singling out people who were dominant. They hid this eugenics behind racism. Not to say the racism wasnt real but it really was more about creating a stratafied elite and a genetically reduced subclass. Listen to this quote by alduous huxley, "They want to create a situation where the difference between those who are ruled and those who rule are so great that a revolution of the underclasses would be as unthinkable as a group of sheep going up to a pack of wolves to protest the consumption of mutton"

Now, this kind of agenda requires the most incredible cooperation of large number of people. So how do you get so many people to go along with it. The truth is, you keep the over all agenda secret and use psychological programming to get people to think certain things are totally ok. For example lets use womens liberation from back in the day. There was a time when women lived at home and took care of things there, not my opinion its just the way things were. Well the bankers had this idea, why dont we empower women(seems like a great idea on the surface) and get them to demand equality in the workplace. This is undenyably a good thing. Women should have equal rights. Well if you study the propaganda at the time not only were they promoting womens lib but they were also demonizing the housewife lifestyle. Now allow me to state for the record that i dont feel its a womans duty to slavishly serve her man. They should have the right to work if they want and definetly deserve equal pay. However, this womens lib movement was funded largely by the rockefeller foundation and it was for a specific reason. Before womens lib, only half of the population was taxable. This put a limit on how much money could be safely loaned out thus reducing the rate the bankers could indebt the people. Putting women into the workplace allowed them to accelorate the debt because more people were paying taxes, women were now working. There is also one other incredibly sinister motive of the bankers, and this came out in the reece commitee hearings of 1954-56. The bankers wanted the children to spend more time in the govt programing centers aka public schools. The curriculum is largely produced by a small number of think tanks and foundations which are all umbrella organizations of 3 foundations: rockefeller foundation, ford foundation and the carnegie endownment for "peace". You recognize those names? Thats right it all comes back to the bankers and corporate criminals. Its like george carlin said in one of his most enlightened rants "the REAL rullers of this country do not want a inteligent freethinking population capable of making thier own decisions, thats bad for business. Instead they want a huge population of incredibly subservient and stupid slaves who dont recognize the big red white and blue dick that is being shuved up thier ass, its called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." Hes so right and now with the internet we have to documents to prove it. Its up to us the people to use the tools availible and extricate ourselves from this terrible situation we find ourselves in. All i get are people who whine about me being negative. Well fuck you, its time to get pissed. When my friends die way early from cancer because there are chemicals in our water like chorine and fluoride, fuck you man im pissed. When the money i saved in my bank account gets devalued because the govt wants to "bailout" a bunch of greedy imperial bankers, fuck you man im pissed. And when i see a nation of captivated zombies being lead to the slaughter by a new president that looks different, fuck you man im pissed because im going to get dragged under with the ship. So sure, i rant, i rave, i piss alot of people off, but in the end it doesnt matter. All that matters is we start being the change we want to see in this world, like ghandi said. We need to stop placing hope in political candidates. We need to place fire under political candidates. When they dont do what we want we kick them out and if they dont leave we fucking shoot them. Its what andrew jackson would do. You know its funny, ron paul was asked by a cnn guy "what do you think the founding fathers would do if they came around now and saw america?" and ron paul cleverly responded "i think they would walk over to congress and arrest every single one of us" We need a person like ron paul to be president. Not because we hope hell do something for us, but because we hope he will stop using govt against us. When ron pauls advisors are asked what the major difference between him and the others are they always say, "the other candidates want your votes so they can exercise power, Dr. Paul wants to be president to reduce the power of govt so people can be more free" That is the philosophy we need going forward. And that is the solution that i present. Start voting for someone who actually says what they are going to do as opposed to those who offer diffusive claims of change with no hard policy explainations. The solution is within each and everyone of us. Until we look inside for solutions we are never going to break the enslavement. All im trying to do is show people this and sometimes i get so frustrated that i arrogantly toss names around. Its just that trying to get this message out is like trying to teach calculus to a chimp. You get all these people who grunt and moan, ironically like zombies, and frustration becomes unavoidible. I personally feel that all this hope is just semantic deception for suspended analysis. People are too cowardly to face the facts that they had no real choice in the last election so they just HOPE everything will work out. Im sorry, the german people hoped hitler would work out and look how it turned out there. We have very similar policies in place in america so unfortunately we cant afford all of this blind hope. The species is literally at risk...

OK, now your being a bit more reasonable but I will say that I believe that you are incorrect both in the belief that, at least without more detailed discussion, the economy would not grind to a halt. You are comparing the world in the 1800's to today's world and that doesn't hold water. Coud we make it back to a "real money" system, I suppose there would be a chance but highly unlikely given the conditions of today. Additionally, wouldn't WWI have played a role in the 16th admendment? Have to have some way to fund a war and keep an economy going! Writing had to be on the wall in 1913. Given a bit more time to think about it, I'm willing to bet there's more to it than what you suggest (but I'm not necessarily saying you're completely off base). And, as much as I understand your concern for the wolf/sheep conditioning I don't buy into the whole conspiracy to the level that you do. Call me foolish (prefered over a "fucking sheep" and some of your other choice insults, if possible as it immidiately closes peoples ears... respect is key) but as you have your opinion, I have mine. I see no way of that scenario ever playing out due to our freedoms (however limited, and I don't disagree with you to much on that subject). I don't want to go into detail here other than to say that freedoms would have to be restricted *much* more than we have seen in order for that scenario to play out.

Just saw your last post... so, if it takes a large number of people to pull this off but only a few know, who are you suggesting are the few and do those few keep changing? How is that possible, people die, people change, I believe that you're going too far with your thoughts but that doesn't mean I don't at least consider what you say. I don't have to "drink your kool-aid" either. So, you automatically say I'm (I'm using myself as the person who doesn't believe you, third person if you will, I'm not an English major) a sheep because I don't see your view as 100%accurate (or even relatively close, but you do make some valid points). If you and I can discuss this on a jambase board, don't you think there are a few others that can come up with your theories as well? We'll go a step further and say that you're right, if so what's the benefit. Where does it end. What is the goal of the conspiracy? You yourself admit that .2% of the population has 95% of the wealth, what is there left to take or gain that would make sense in your vision of what is happening? Complete world domination? Great, now you have more land, and *many* more people to take care of (or not) but in the end there is a finite limit...

If Obama repeals the Patriot Act and shuts down Gitmo I will be impressed.

the more i think about it, the more i like these political articles, too. these arguments are a whole lot better than people talking shit about bands they don't like.... By the way, Bisco sucks!

Great question. What is there to gain? Well this becomes a philosophical debate. It all comes down to people who believe in freedom and people who believe that some people are superior in one way or another. And im dont mean it in the low level sense like we see with common white/black racism. Think of it this way. How come the old royal families and international banking families were always extremely careful about who they have children with? That is because these people are the most racist people in the universe. The believe in this idea called eugenics. Which is bassically my genetics are better than yours, thats why im smarter and thats why i deserve to rule over you. That is the purpose of the new world order world govt movement in high politics and business. They want the most ultimate upward consolidation of world power in the hands of the few elites which would make decisions based on the load of the planet. Sounds reasonable until you notice that there is absolutely zero individual freedom in this type of system. This is what all this fake environmentalism is all about. All they bitch and moan about is CO2, what plants breath. You dont even hear about rainforest deforestation or mercury in the atmosphere due to buring dirty coal instead of cleaner technologies already availible. You dont hear about the real problems, instead they invent a fake enemy for everyone to be afraid of but keep in mind they didnt choose CO2 for no reason. We exhale CO2. When they label CO2 a polutant they in effect label humans an enemy of the environment. Which is not the best way to look at things. So back to what the big picture is. They want total control of the population so they can carry out eugenics kind of like hitler did, and they are going to use phony environmentalism to trick the population into going along with it. Take a look at how obama is going to destroy the world economy in the name of environmentalism. Dont think they cant do this. They can, remember "they" own all the media, "they" own most of the politiicans one way or another. "They" in effect own a large portion of the human mind on this planet through thier mass media control. Think of culture as the operation system of a nation. If you can use your mass media machine to manipulate culture, which is rather obvious in america, you are in effect manipulating the operating system PROGRAMMING of the population. They use this control over national programming to indoctrinate populations into these societies. I mean, look at how the most independant nation in human history has been turned into a puddle of discusting fat debt slaves. This was not a natural process. We didnt just land in this position. There were social engineers in the tax exempt foundations who manipulated this national herd mentality. Names? Well whos names are on these foundations is a good start. Rockefeller, ford, carnegie. Then move along to the politicians who support thier agendas, bush, clinton, obama, mccain, ect. Then look up the tentacle organizations these people run or are affiliated with. Council on Foriegn relations, bilderberg group, bohemian grove, tri-lateral commission, brookings institute. Then come to an understanding of and be in opposition to the policies put out by our enemies. World govt, income taxes, private central bank, debt based moneterism. Its that simple. When the people begin to understand these mechanisms in detail, immediately change will take place. No one is going to stand for this if they, not just know about it, but actually understand it. For example, people wouldnt have taken out all those house loans if they knew there was a banking scam being run behind thier back. They wouldve recognized the scheme and said thanks but fuck you. But the people were ignorant and believed the system was virtuous and look what happened. Whats reall really really going on is anyones guess, but i think we can all agree, its no accident and this is being manipulated heavily. And it is completely criminal...

Hey Delaney... maybe if you blow up a government building people will listen to you! (Somewhat Sarcastic)

okay delaney

you have a few valid points mixed up with your rants. but lets not talk about blue blood royal cousin fucking and call it eugenics. should we also assume a guy like obama, quite a genetic mix, has anything to do with a global eugenics agenda. sure there are forces conspiring against the common man and one of them is this conspiratorial bullshit that keeps people like you from addressing the real problem. you act like the libertarian party is a good option. well you deliver your own mail, and pay 20 grand for tuition to a private school for your kids. matter of fact why don't you build your own roads wherever you go. and hell, too bad social security wasn't privatized too, and tied to the market, oh wait that all went to shit. you give these very few people alot of credit for being able to pull off this ancient vast conspiracy.

I dont know about those other things, all i know is most of that stuff is irrelevent until you solve the issue of the federal reserve. As long as they can charge interest on all money, your going to have problems in all areas. Its the chief cornerstone of american economic control... Have any of you guys looked up bilderberg group yet? How about building 7? Go on youtube and watch the money masters documentary. Its free. Type in money as debt. Thats another documentary that makes the monetary stuff really easy to understand. If you want to know more about the eugenics agenda and bilderberg group go on youtube and watch endgame. And for a documentary on the income tax watch america: freedom to fascism. These are all professionally produced documentaries that present the case for some of this shit. Dont believe that, check out the claims for yourself. You want to be blown away, type in bayer/aids in youtube. You will see a MSNBC newscast all about how bayer PUT AIDS in thier "factor 8" hemopheliac drug. And when the federal govt refused to allow it to be sold in america, they brought it over to europe and japan and sold it. Thousands of people got aids from it. And there are million other examples of that kind of thing. Especially surrounding the UN. Trust me, its not as mystical as it sounds. Its just an agenda that everyone agrees too...

Maaaaaannnnnnnnn Delavniria has way too much time on his or her hands. go get a job, or nevermind Obama will just give u some of my money... Save ur book or novel ur writting for ur publisher. u think any read that shit.... why is everyone on obama's sack. we all can talk a good game, remember he is a politicain who will say and do anything to get elected. come on wookies start thinking thinking..........

ohhh yeah.......

Sorry my in depth analysis offended you. Ill go back to watching a football game or something. Only in america is there a penalty for thinking. Go fuck yourself...

delaneyira - wow you write page after page of ominous thoughts and then finish up by saying the answer is a 3rd party president.... believe me when i say i also think that the whole system is a scam being played out against people who simply don't know any better or feel as if there is no other options open to them.... but ron paul is your saviour ???? i think you may be drinking to much of that kool aid - the cool aid being mixed by "dr" ron paul ..... maybe things need to completely implode for any REAL change to occur.....

anyhow thanks for the entertainment , get some sleep

Look bubbah, who did you vote for? Obama? They guys advisors are neocons from the project for a new american century. Obama, it might as well be called bush's third term. Mccain wouldve been the same thing. The only thing prohibiting a third party run are mental midgets like you who keep mindlessly spewing the indoctrinated rhetoric "a third party can never win". Says YOU asshole. Enjoy your national service you sheep. Ron paul predicted all thats happened over a year ago and people laughed at him.

Well guess what, it all came true. And it wasnt like it was rocket science. The only people who refuted pauls position were CFR hacks and wall street insider traders, and they had the most play on the MSM. SO there you have it. But hey, you do what you want. Keep getting played. Every 4-8 years, they change the mask, but underneath its always the same devil... Grow up bud, think a little more...

bubbah , mental midget , asshole , sheep ???

there is something to be said about someone who gets off insulting people from the safety of their keyboard - not sure what your deal is so i won't (unlike you) pretend to know

if you had actually read my response BEFORE you started working up your eloquint comeback in that lil head of yours you may have noticed that AT NO POINT in my post did i say that a 3rd party would never win - not once - but yet YOU put those words in my mouth because they fit your already pre-rehearsed comeback - you are like one of those people who does not listen to what people say but instead , just waits for their turn to talk !

otherwise you would have understood that what i said was that ron paul is no different than those already in control - he says all kinds of shit that alot of people may want to hear and it all sounds great until you find out he is just another mask... do i know that for sure ??? no , but do you know otherwise for sure ?????

you seem like an okay guy but life is short man,try to enjoy it if you can

delaneyira said: "Heres what happens in the next year or two. Immediately following obama's inauguration there is going to be a massive, immediate collapse of the US economy with overnight inflation. This will immediately make obama unpopular, because there isnt going to be anything he can do about it. So before you know it the people in this country are going to be pointing the finger at, not the president, "the first BLACK president".

This is going to spark racial consternation in this country like we have never seen it."

Well that's about all I needed to read to get on board with your ideals...

Actually it was the bubba , mental midget , asshole , fuck you, fuck off asshole and the sheep comments that really swayed me to your almighty blanket of answers to everything.

Troll of the year award nominations anyone?