Langerado Moves to Miami

Less chiggers in Bicentennial Park I reckon.

more glitz...more glam...more superficial city...long live langerado

they are trying to make a VEGOOSE out of it.

obviously.

Dont know how i feel about that.. guess theres no camping.. and night shows being at clubs reminds me of vegoose.. im certainly not going to pay a festival ticket price, plus a hotel, plus pay for all the good night shows individually ... hopefully its not his way, but its looking like it

Everyone Orchestra this year!

boo...

vegoose-ami? hmmm?

so i guess this means no camping?...

I hope this means that they are saving Big Cypress for Phish NYE 09.

A dude can dream can't he?

THIS IS HORRIBLE. I CANT BELIEVE LANGERADO IS DOING THIS, WHY ARE THEY MOVING IT TO A BIG CITY. DIDN'T EVERYONE HAVE A BLAST LAST YEAR AND THE YEARS BEFORE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE (WELL TECHNICALLY MARKHAM PARK ISNT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE BUT U GET THE IDEA). BIG CYPRESS WAS AMAZING TO SAY THE LEAST. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. ILL BE THERE BUT ID RATHER BE AT BIG CYPRESS.

I think Langerado is just trying to do what it does best - a boutique festival in a fun city. There are SOOOO many festivals (now more than ever) in the middle of a field where you camp in crappy conditions, Langerado is doing something different. Trying to be like Vegoose? How is that? Because it's set in a city instead of a muddy field? I guess you could say that, but I don't think Langerado is trying to be anything other than a Florida festival, and what's more Florida than Miami beaches? I'm really pleased they are doing this, it makes Langerado unique, there are plenty of one-stop camp-in-the-crap festivals (which are tons of fun too, don't get me wrong), but how many festivals take place in a major city with all the amenities and good times of city partying? Count me in.

2007 Langerado WAS THE SHIT. IMO

The only problem with the city setting is unleashing all the ragers onto the public. lots of problems with that anyhow, we are all too roboted to drive, can't afford cabs, and trouble leaving the venue in time for the late night shows. On the plus side, TITTY BARS. I think they are just trying to curve the incredible rage we brought last year, with it as the unofficial kick off of the festi season everyone comes with their rage faces on, hopefully this doesnt't that somebody is not going to get naked at the les claypool show and pleasure themselves with a glow stick while humping mud. FREAK FREELY

I like it...

Best move ever. Cypress was a nightmare, people were screwed, musicians missed sets. This is going to be perfect.

This is what langerado does best. a boutique event in a park with raging late nights everywhere....

This is a horrible idea. Langerado is one of the best festivals out there and the location/layout is a big part of it. Seminole is very close to Ft. Lauderdale and being able to camp in relative wilderness adds to the appeal. Making it an urban festival completely changes the dynamic and I will go on record to say the organizers will regret this. Late night shows at clubs off site? Terrible, terrible, terrible idea. I was at Langerado last year and was going to make it an annual tradition. Now I have to reconsider.

Sounds like it will be a smaller fest. I've seen other REAL small fests there, nice place, but tiny. And its not actually in the city, its out on the Key. Be careful leaving, there's only one way in & out, 2 lanes. Also, getting down to South Beach on a weekend at night is near impossible. Worst traffic you will ever see. Try shows downtown, easiest to get to. Probably at Tobacco Road, cool venue.

To be fair, this city set up with late night at different venues is how Langerado began. Going back to its roots...

maybe will smith will headline this year

If its a no camping festi I thinks that sucks. How can the average non contraband hustling fool like my self afford such a event. Not to mention transporting ones self safely between it all for a resonable price. I suppose I should suspend judgment until there are more details but last year was fucking phenomenal, one of the best especially for a winter festi. Bring back SNOEDOWN.

^^ we need more winter festivals. Please.

while it is getting back to their roots i dont like this move one bit....cypress had its downsides (fire ants, crazy ass weather, mud, etc) but thats to be expected and it was still the time of my life anyway

they need to figure out how to make this festival reasonably priced in the most expensive city in the state of florida

how will i get my balloons now?

While there are only a few times in my entire life that i could say i had more fun than langerado '07, i'm interested to see what a 'bright lights, big city' theme might bring to the table...gotta love big cypress, but this news is, by no means, going to keep me home this march...

Is it just me or does RichardHaley sound like he WORKS for Langerado?

P.S. Langerado 2005 was the tits

Langerado last year was by far one of the best festivals of '08. Mostly because of the lineup, but also mostly because you could WALK back to your CAMPSITE after music ended late at night...instead of drive drunk through Miami to a late night show which you have to pay more money for. People commenting in favor have to understand how much more money this will cost. The hotel, and the late night shows. BTW this is not unique, there are plenty of festivals that make you get a hotel, plenty of festivals that have late night venues. In comparison the ones you camp at and havemusic run until 4 A.M. take the cake easily.

the best place to have a festival in florida is spirt of suwannee park anyway (imho) wanee fest, mag fest, bear creek, spring fest its all great up there

^^^FORSURE!! i love the suwannee park! y dont they have it there? i have a feeling this isnt going to go over well with the city. we'll just be seeing it move to a new venue the next year.

"Is it just me or does RichardHaley sound like he WORKS for Langerado?"

haha my thought exactly!

I (like everyone else on this board) don't understand why they changed venues. I haven't been to Big Cypress (tho have heard of it's awesomeness), but I did go to the previous venue. It just seems like are de-evolving. Festivals should try to improve themselves from year to year and learn from past mistakes.

Miami would be fun too, but i'm just pissed that I didn't go this year.

lest we forget 5 or 6 years ago?? Ft. Lauderdale Stadium....or Young Circle Park in the middle of Hollywood?? This really isnt anything new for Langerado. Besides, Miami is F-U-N. I know a lot of you dont live down here or have never been to Miami but trust me when I say you will have a good time...

twalsh: I was thinking the same thing about RichardHaley.

as a florida boy ive been to the past 4 langerado's. while we all know last year was the HEAT at big cypress, its hard to beat checkin out some new music and chillling during the day, and then going out and raging your specific favorite acts for full 2 set plus encore shows. some of my fav shows ive seen ever were late night langerado shows so i can only imagine miami would kick the shit out of ft lauderdale. no curfew at venues i believe but damn pricy!

This is my favorite festival in the country and I think this move might just kill it for me. I've been going to Langerado for the past 3 years and I have to say that the best year was last year at Big Cypress. I loved that venue sooo much!!!

1. Ticket pries will most likely be higher this year because of the location. (This will only further detour people feeling the pinch of high gas prices)

2. 5-O will be everywhere during this fest like when it was at Markham Park.

3. I will miss all the wildlife (alligators and birds mostly) that was everywhere last year.

4. Having 5 stages last year was so great.

5. All late night shows last year were on site so no one had to drive while spaced out.

6. Why would I wanta go to a festival where I have to see the urban sprawl of city lights?

On the note of on-site camping I think that the festival organizers wouldn't sell out so much as to get rid of camping on the festival grounds. However, if they do I will not be attending and will be saving my money for 10K or Summer Camp next year. WTF is up with the posts on here about this being a good idea, why would you want Langerado to be like Lollapalooza, Virgin Fest, All Points West, and Jam on the River? It was never that type of festival after its first year so why change it now? Plus, if you don't like being dirty and sweaty at a camping festival why whine about it and not just go to one of the above fests I mentioned.

Yeah.. going to Miami & Partying all weekend with great music is a terrible idea.

FIRST OF ALL TAKE THIS FROM SOMEBODY WHO LIVES 5 MINUTES FROM DOWNTOWN MIAMI, THIS IS A HORRIBLE IDEA. YOU GONNA GET A HOTEL NEARBY? IT HAPPENS TO BE SPRING BREAK WEEKEND SO YOUR GONNA GET WHACKED WITH ABOUT A TRIPLE THE REGULAR PRICE ROOM RATE (YEAH, I CHECKED LAST YEAR FOR SOME FRIENDS THAT WERE COMING IN TOWN $250 TO STAY D-TOWN OR ON THE BEACH). SCIcane YOU GOTTA BE THINKING OF SOMEWHERE ELSE. DONT KNOW WHAT OR WHERE YOUR TALKING ABOUT BUT THAT WASNT BICENTINIAL PARK. ITS IN DOWNTOWN MIAMI. LATE NIGHT SHOWS ON MIAMI BEACH? THE CLUBS ARE TINY AND IT ABSOLUTELY SUCKS TRYING TO PARK THERE.

I JUST GOTTA STOP FOR A MINUTE. JUST TO MANY THINGS TO PUT HERE I GOTTA COME BACK LATER.

OH BY THE WAY, IF ANYBODY IS WONDERING THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THERE WILL BE CAMPING AT THAT SITE. NO WAY.

ALSO, THERE IS ONLY ONE GREAT URBAN FESTIVAL. ITS CALLED JAZZFEST.

THIS FUCKING SUCKS. BIG CYPRESS WAS THE SHIT (except for the ants) Miami is going to be a nightmare and stukinkendell is 100% correct. WAY MORE MONEY and your not even going to get a festival vibe. I was looking forward to this sooooooo much and now i have to find a different festival. Hopefully a new festival like Roth puts on a spring festival and blows Langerado away. oh well another festival falls.

there is plenty of camping within 20-30 minutes of this area. and the late nights will rage, make sure to get ur tickets early

Stukinkendall,

I could not agree more with the "one great urban festival" comment. Thank you.

You all forgot to mention that drinks in Miami are EXPENSIVE! You're going to be paying 10$ for a Hieneken can and a lot more for a mixed drink.

I remember seeing SCI in Ft.Lauderale a few years ago and driving to the after party/show was reaaally hard. Miami is no Las Vegas. Good luck Langerado.

Buuut I agree on the fact the Big Cypress is saved for Phish !!

Please, please tell me it ain't so....

I got to UMF every year at this same park and they have alot of cops in this park for UMF with towers over the crowd mostly for crowd control...a no camping festval? weak

i expect the numbers to drastically drop for this festy

You know, I read a while back that if Vegoose was going to happen in 09, it would be right aound St. Patricks Day. I'm wondering if this announcement is trying to jump the gun on a 09 Vegoose announcement. To be honest, been to miami and vegas multiple times, and I'll take Vegas any day of the week. BRING BACK VEGOOSE! ! !

This is the friggen Ghetto....Having been born and raised in the City of Miami, and having lived there for 16 years, I know that this place is laaaaaaaaaaaaaame....No camping that's for sure....Plus, make sure you lock your cars and all tjat good stuff...The Ghettos of Miami make DC, NYC, Philly, and the rest of the Northeast look like Beverly Hills.

And to think I was going to go this year. Shame.

Wow - This will be like Vegoose after this year - Never to be seen again.

The really took a good festival and ruined it in MY opinion and we know all the saying's about opinions. Come on, downtown Miami is not a condusive place to hold the type of event that Langerado previously was. They say that 75% of the bands signed on for 2009 have never played Langerado which means a huge change in direction in music. I understand chaning the venue to a degree, but taking it to the city is not the "spirit".

The hotel rates during March in Miami area are already hiked up due to the Spring tourists and will be hiked even hire on the news of this weekend even. Hope everone is ready to spend $250 a night minimum for a somewhat decent hotel.

Langerado organizers should take a lesson from Vegoose.

Good luck to those who attend and I hope you have fun and enjoy.

the cost will most def keep me away. it would be fun to take a break from the cold and head down to the heat, but there's no way i'm going to be able to afford plane ticket, fest ticket, hotel, cabs to everywhere, food, late night. 07 was so much fun. i'm not too worried though, some new festival will pop up that fits my budget and has the music i'm looking for, there's so many to choose from these days, i just hope a new one pops up in the spring, there's not too many that time of year.

Stukinkendall- THE LAST PERSON TO USE THAT MANY CAPS WAS KANYE WEST.

sweet, flights area already $400+

Nothing like driving all fucked up through the extremely heavy and absolutely ridiculous bumper to bumper Miami traffic at night. Not to mention the unbelievable amount of douche Miami police that are just gonna be waiting to fuck some hippies up on their way to the late nights and back to the hotels. Enjoy. Last year was unbelievable.

Stukinkendall, you are right, I was thinking of where they used to hold Marleyfest on Key Biscayne.

I'm sure the organizers didn't make as much on the huge camping fest of last year with all the added costs, so figure consolidating this year can increase their return on investment. Ethan always said he built up the South Florida music scene for love of music, but Langerado was his chance to finally make some sort of living out of it. Sucks, but its a business.

this sounds WEAK. I really wanted to go to this fest eventually...

First off FUCK YOU GUY WHO RUNS LANGERADO. Second theyre saying that 75% of the bands this year have never played langerado before so it will probably be a big rap duecebag fest anyways so for the kind of music they will probly have downtown Miami is the perfect spot. This festival kicked off the festival year. This sucks.

i was hoping they would stay at big cypress...

oh well, another one bites the dust, shits pricey

Cool. I might actually go now.

rothbury jazzfest and telluride are the only festivals worth going to anymore....fact

R.I.P. Langerado.

The guy's name is Ethan Shwartz....and his website is Southfloridajams.com

Very sad day indeed. Langerado went from a festival with good bands, but always set up poorly, with latenite 30miles away and no camping. This untill last year. Last year was to this day the only legit (Festival) langerado every put on. Now you are back to the same. AS Clearnati-Kid states. RIP Langerado.

I don't remember the last time I looked so forward to anything. The langerado website has been my homepage for over 6 months now. I've been waiting for some news about this year every day, and now all I get is bad news. This has really ruined it for me. Most horrible idea EVER!!!!!

I'm just really glad I got to go this year. It was a blast except for my fair-skinned girlfriend getting sun poisoning which probably would have kept me from going again anyway.

GIGGER....rothbury will be changing locations...so that won't be the festie it ONCE was...and this sounds cool and sucks at the same time...Oh well, just have to wait and see who they announce...if there are multiple Bisco shows then count me in! This was the first year I plan to attend, and I hopefully will hold true to that....that is of course, unless PHish plays Hampton in March....then I will be nowhere near florida!

Bummer.

Ethan Shwartz. ...figures.

six---figures? what exactly do you mean by that...Please explain.

this will be the fifth place in seven years that langerado has been held at. it just seems to fit their business model to continue to seek out new venues. we don't know the scoop yet as far as lineup and details go, so who's to say that it will be a bad time? i remember this same sentiment towards jam cruise when it first came to be a few years ago... and anybody who has been on the boat knows that the experience (not the cost) is everything.

I wonder how many people writing a negative response to this news will still be in attendance come March? I work with a major scale event and parking an event 40+ miles away from the resources is tough, which is likely the NUMBER ONE reason Langerado is moving back to the city. Clearly many of the responders have no concept of event management, neither did I until I volunteered for Efest 2007 (www.efest.us)

I believe Ethan and Mark will produce another amazing Langerado. There are camping sites in the Miami area, you just have to get creative (way in advance) to make arrangements. Otherwise better start saving for a hotel on the beach with your closest friends... doesn't sound so bad afterall.

let them learn their lesson the hard way. its going to be less people, less money, and less fun. they wont come back.

Oh man, no more big cypress, that blows. I thought the fire ants gave the festival some needed character

Lets stay positive people...details haven't been released yet. They are planning on opening primitive camping at Bicentennial by the end of 2008 http://www.baldwincountynow.com/articles/2007/12/31/local_news/doc4778ff867c5a5998951245.txt. Let's hope it's enough for at least some of the festival folks, and many will prob. enjoy staying in a nearby hotel anyway. Ultra Music Festival is held at Bicentennial as well, and I'm sure promoters wouldn't keep Ultra there if cops were bad.

Comparing it to vegoose is probably a bit off....the direction is going to be more like lollapolooza. a sad day indeed.

Wow. It took what? 2-3 years for this to sell out?

oops looks like that was a link to a story about Bicentennial Park in Alabamma!

Scott Langer needs to wake up. I'm guessing this will in some way be more profitable for the promoters since I really cant see why else they would move away from Big Cypress

unless maybe they just felt it was too big last year, i doubt that though

Ultra Music Fest had 70,000 people last yr. at Bicentennial Park. I don't think they're moving Langerado to make it smaller.

Dont knock it till you rock it...the cops are more than cool in Miami, I've seen dudes straight tell cops to suck their dick and the cops just looks at them at say, "leave the beach" like a robot...Phish in Miami was one of the best NYE parties ever and I did Cypress too. How much do you really sleep at a festival? It's light by the time I sleep usually, so walk down to the beach and crash. We ended up staying for 2 weeks living like bums down there and loving it. By the way I got a room on the beach in S. Beach on NYE 2004 for $120.

No way it can top Big Cypress. 2008 was the shit... I don't think I'll be attending this year tho... unless primus AND Rage are on the lineup...and bisco too.

all we need is a bunch of tripping hippies driving all over town to various concerts. brilliant logistical nightmare and return to days of markham park dumbass procedure. these guys saved their festi last year and destroyed it again.

Moving to Miami is an awful idea. Partying in Miami can be a lot of fun but it is also very expensive. I really thought Langerado was moving in the right direction by becoming an all camping festival. Big cypress provided space for 5 stages, on-site late night shows, and an easy walk back to someplace safe when the music stopped.

Are they having it in that TINY park show on their website?

THIS IS TERRIBLE NEWS! last year was amazing! skip it this year and go to jazzfest. now that is big city money well spent.

vegoose without vegas, WEAK

Sweet i can see it now thousands of cracked out people wondering the streets of miami late at night in a horrible area. Car accidents and traffic left and right. O wait i forgot the cops waiting for any excuse to screw with people (those who go to Ultra). Oh and then there is spring break at the time so expensive fees and Ultra right after so good luck finding a hotel. O and dont forget all those night shows you want to go see, goodluck getting in unless your somewhat decently dressed which means people either having to take the time to go somewhere (another risk) to change or change at their cars? O and parking hahaha sweet loving parking fees

Six---No response? I didn't think so.

Stuk----since when is downtown 15 minutes from kendall?? Shit, there are parts of Kendall that take an 1/2 hour just to get to Dadeland, let alone downtown, another 1/2 hour away, almost an hour with traffic.

i personally thought the concept of festivals was to bring everyone together for the weekend, free of travel...

i dont understand why they would move it to the city where people will probably get lost, and have more of a chance to get in trouble with the law..

big mistake by langerado to do so.

this just doesnt make sense to me. it seems that people have lost the essence of music festivals. it is about roughing for the music. i dont want to be in the middle of the city. i want to camp out with other fans like i did in cypress. MIAMI = BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER.

Lame Move Langerado- you'll regret it when ticket sales suck. Let me just say Big Cypress was amazing compared to Markham Park and now they are just backtracking in the wrong direction- why?! does anyone know why they would ever think that this would be better? driving? hotels? expensive shit? headie scene? i don't think so. Langerado your line up better be fucking amazing to get me to go to this fest again.

I agree, this is definitely the end of Langerado and it's a damn shame because it was one of my favorite festivals in the country. Last year was one of the greatest times I've had in my life. Big Cypress was soo fucking gorgeous and laid back, everything was perfect (with the exception of the cancellations- not the festie peoples' faults). Langerado + Spring Break in the same week in Miami= Brofest '09 (with double the DUI's!) I can see the dollar signs in the gov's eyes now.

who is headlining? brooke hogan.

i would rather get bit by fire ants than pinched by miami 5-0.

Weak! Being that I live in FloRida, the drive is inconsequential. What matters, however, is atmosphere and logistics. I don't want to travel all over freakin Miami to pay to see bands that SHOULD be included in my ticket price in the first place.. The whole "extra" late night set deal is ridiculous. I want to go, camp, and be merry far away from the hustle and bustle of a big city (I live in one every other day of the year). I will save my dough and go to any of the festies that take place at the Suwanee. Bear creek is coming up soon...

Lifespan of heady festival = 5-6 years?

I heard these same complaints last year when it moved to Big Cypress...It's not in the middle of the city....it's on an inlet from the OCEAN!!!!!!!!!! There is public transportation to take you to the fest from as far away as West Palm Beach...so everyone is complaining about going south to the beach and Miami to go to a festival...STAY UP NORTH IN THE COLD!!!!!!! And it's going to have 75% new music??? GREAT - do you want the same festival over and over??? try some new music...just my thoughts

lama---I live "Up North In The Cold"...and I'll tell you what: The scene here and the music here beats anything South Florida has to offer, at all....I know this having lived in Miami and Boca Raton for a total of 25 years.... Fla has the most overated weather on the planet...I guess it's a great place if you like 100% humidity, unbearable heat, Thunderstorms every afternoon, Hurricanes, Awful Crime, Fire Ants, Mosquitoes, Flat Land, No Seasons, and Old Rude New Yorkers.

marc - you must live in paradise....the weather in march is bad in south florida??? it's sooo bad....just got to poke around

lama---I live in America, it's a nice place, you should come and visit sometime....and yes, any time the weather is over 50% humidity (all the time down there) it's kinda shitty, plus even though they call Fla the "Sunshine State" is has more rain than any other state, and has more cloudy days in 3 months than Colorado does all year (over 300 sunny days a year)

having been from the NYC area and upstate NY, I'll take south FLorida anytime...marc - stay up north in the cold...while I'm barefoot dancin' to over 100 bands, you enjoy your "great music scene" in the snow, slush and rain

oh...you're a Colorado snob...CO weather SUCKS...rain during the winter or just overcast??? and IF you lived here, you would know that b/w January and mid-April is our DRY season...it rains almost everyday from June - August

take a look at the previous comment as to great this festival has been over the past couple of years....great music, great vibe and GREAT WEATHER...stay in CO

Yeah, I lived in Floriduh for 25 years, kid, and Colorado weather is amazing....300 sunny days a year is really terrible, huh? Plus we don't have to smoke your wet, moldy shitty nuggets that you have in Fla.

i agree to that

what happened to big cypress?! booooo miami

NOT A FAN. langerado is a fantastic festival, and to move it to Miami eliminates all that the festival experience entails. Camping is a HUGE part of the festival festivities, and this sounds to me like Vegoose 2...and how did that pan out.... Money Money Money Money(for a year or two) and then...Broke Promoters

What ever happened to BluntsNbisco420 ????????????????????????????

Phish Late night at American Air Lines arena

marcsmall = no class

calling out cool ethan, just lousy.

moelive 89,

he said he got arrested at APW.

that's the last I heard.

Glad to see everyone is bummed out about this as much as me.

Hopefully they will notice all the negative feedback.

This definitely seems like a terrible move. First, let me say this:

Big Cypress was awesome and all, however that was the worst festival weather I have ever experienced. The winds were extremely dynamic and it rained multiple times, even ending late night sets.

I don't know what Langerado you guys went to in 2008, but I honestly thought it was one of the most poorly executed festivals I have ever been to. Not enough schedules and there WERE kind of a lot of police there.

That being said, moving it to the city definitely makes the festival lose its appeal to a lot of people that were attracted to it last year. I'd be willing to bet that we see a totally different Langerado with the idea that more locals will attend then out of towners. It can be done, and money can be made. That's the bottom line.

IMO this festival was already seeing the end of its days in 2008. Just go visit one of the better festivals that will be going on around the country. Im sure something else will pop up to take Langerado's inaugural festie spot. Just be patient.

i'm not a fan of the change of venue. i'd much rather camp in a field filled with cow dung and fire ants than have to drive in a city full of hair gel and douche bags. it really will be dangerous with the amount of intoxicated people pouring out of the fest into a city already filled with a-hole drivers. this will also be a VERY expensive festival with the necessity to stay in a hotel (and i'm sure hotel prices will be jacked up for the weekend). to be quite honest, i'm hoping the line-up will suck so i won't feel a need to go. get kanye and metallica! woo! haha.

but in all reality, the best fest in florida is BEAR CREEK in nov! Bear Creek will be nothing short of amazing, so do yourself a favor and be there.

the damn COST of attending has now tripled. screw that.

and who would rather be in the dirty ass city than out in the lovely big sky country???? only a fool.

the street people are gonna have a ball tho!!!!

BEARCREEK!!!!!!!!

Scott---How did I cal him out? I just noted who ran the event and his website....I mean,I'm not the one who moved the festival, am I?

Now all the shows if they are outdoor will end at midnight or 11:30. WTF? Didn't they learn from two years ago? Big Cypress is THE best place in Florida for a festi. Beautiful and secluded. What more could one want for a festi?

He won't lose his shirt, because even when the festival "breaks even" as they claimed to do last year, you have to realize that he still pays himself a hefty salary.

Wow I am pretty much shocked at the negative naybobs around here. I guess most of you never went to Langerado until last year. Me and my gang skipped it because it was moved to Big Cypress.

Langerado started (years before Vegoose btw) as a city festival, it used to be in downtown Hollywood for gods sake. Even at Markham Park, the beauty was that there were stores, hotels, and cabs right at the gate of the fest. Camping was non existant except for I think 2 years, and that camping sucked anyway.

Putting it in Miami rocks. No traffic problems getting there, airport close so you can pick up friends flying in, tons and tons of hotels, venue in the middle of the city so you can actually walk to a bar or club after, late night shows that won't require a 45 minute drive each way (no offense Culture Club), and oh yeah I almost forgot one of the best party cities in the US.

Grow up people, try not going straight for Miami Beach everytime. There are tons of other great bars and clubs in downtown, the Grove and the Gables. Hopefully this move will weed out the tank huffers and bunk molly slangers and get Langerado back to its roots of being a small, city fest. Well done Ethan, now go book up the Tobacco Room for the late night shows (upstairs too)!

It's Tobacco Road....and the Culture Room

marcsmall, maybe you lived in your parent's house in Boca for too long. Miami is not WPB or Ft. Lauderdale, there is plenty of kind bud among other stuff floating around FL, you must have been sniffing in the wrong places. Its called hydroponics, just like they use in CO.

The majority of "Festival People" love camping....it's part of the experience. I don't know one single person who didn't think last year's Langerado was the best year by leaps and bounds!

We are ALL shock that 2009 will be in Miami. We ALL thought Langerado had found it's permanent home last year at Big Cypress.

What's more shocking is the fact the organizers are now trying to silence their fans outrage. Face it!! Their ruined THE best Florida festival!!

What a joke putting it in downtown Miami. No knock to Miami as I am a FL resident. That is not the place for the type of festival Langerado has cattered to in the past. Who know's maybe they really want to go in a different direction whether to try something new or just pure greed.

Count on the following:

Wayyyyy over priced hotel rooms (prices are already jacked up for Spring time anyhow and will now be triple the normal cost even for a flea bag hotel the rate will be $200plus a night)

Unreal traffic and parking issues should enough people even attend in the first place.

Every bum, crackhead and panhandler in downtown will surely make their way over to the park.

Police presence will be insane and overbearing.

People driving all over Miami under the influence instead of stumbling back to their campsite.

Overall, I think given the current economy and travel costs involved they will see a serious decline in tx sales this year as Miami is a very pricey city to begin with. It was more economical for attendees to have a place where camping is on site or within a short walk.

Ha yes you are correct, not even sure how I got those wrong. See what a couple bingers of the Miami white widow will do for ya?

How FUNNY Langerado's Myspace operater deleted ALL of the comments since yesterdays announcement, which were 99.9% negative. They already can't handle the poor choice of venue. They should just pull the plug cause they're possibly gonna lose their shirts on this one.

Also, ALL comments posted on Langerado have to be approved first. CENSORSHIP at it's best. They can't handle the truth.

Miami white widow? hahahahah.....The headies down there are so bunk, man.....Yoou should come out to Colorado and try some real nugs....They're not wet and moldy here, and are actually organic, and plentiful.

BTW, I'm telling you...You can always camp out at Camillus House.

http://www.camillushouse.org/

Really disappointing to say the least. I go to miami all the time. I'd much rather go to a fest in a remote/rare location like Cypress. Because I don't want to have to leave the damn fest every single night to go out and waste money I'd rather just chill back at my tent. This a very corporate move imo and will bring a little bit of a different crowd considering where its at

We should all petition for a venue change!!!

Danpfunk and The Hurricane....How are you not grasping the concept that without camping we will have to pay at minimum $120 extra three nights in a row and thats if your not going to a late night show. You say bars and clubs are in walking distance...so what im supposed to pay a minimum of 40 bucks each night as well...were talking an extra $400 easy plus people not in the same mind set bringing you down all over Miami. Unless you too walk up and down south beach and Miami looking of ways to spend more money half of us dont have.

marcsmall1 - Your need to get off your high horse about CO. Almost every thread you talk about how the weather is better and the nugs are better. YOU DONT LIVE IN FUCKING HEAVEN. We get good ORGANIC nugs in otehr parts of the country. Everything that doesnt come from CO isnt "moldy and wet". Granted I havent lived in FL and dont know about their white widow, i do know theres headies, and good headies at that in places otehr than CO and im tired of hearing you ramble the fuck on about CO and its the best place with the best nugs. I bet right now I got some nugs from the DC area that are just as good as your CO nugs, if not better. And i know for a fact they are cuz i have been there, and been to cali, and i have friends there and in cali, so i've seen the product out there. Actually just got some good grape ape like a month ago when my boy came to visit from denver.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

The only thing that is better about having Langerado in Miami is probably the yeyo selection... other then that, WHAT A STUPID MOVE!!!!

Dready420 - I couldn't agree with you more!! Same idiots talking about how "ultra-heady" Colorado is- In my opinion, it's NOT THAT GREAT!

I went to this fest a few years ago. The lineup was good, not bad or great. and everything else sucked. This festival is all about getting you damn yankee kids to waste your spring break and hard earned money coming to the yankeeville of the south. Go to any fest in Live Oak to have a better time. No offense yanks, I did meet 2 nice ones down there. Save your clams or bones or whathaveyou for Allgood. or that nelson ledges quarry in ohio looks pretty sweet too. Can anyone whos been there confirm that.

cant wait

ive gone every year since it was single day

oysteria you suck btw

alot of people wont be able to afford this one

markham park/ late night downtown ft lauderdale was awesome, and this is a step up

I'd say the vibe on this thread speaks to this move. Guess I'll be skiing this March. Colorado???

sorry al, it seems like most of the people on this thread only go to langerado because its not up north/cold as balls. I should have broken this up into four seperate posts in a row.

I live 20 minutes from the new venue, so for me it's an easy choice to come back to the festival I've attended every year since it's birth. That being said, I'm still very disappointed in this decision. It really takes the spirit of what Langerado became in the last few years - the best premiere jam festival in South Florida. Now, it's Lollapalooza South. A few facts, though: 70,000 attended Ultra at Bicentennial Park, and 25,000 attended Langerado at Big Cypress - so we'll fit just fine. Ultra had the music going until 3 or 4 am, and Club Space down the street is open until noon, so curfew won't be an issue. Maybe late-night shows will go on at nearby clubs and on-site? We can only hope that being closer to city resources will mean more options. Hopefully Metrorail will run late for us. Let's wait for the line-up before we turn this mutha out.

travpf said,"How FUNNY Langerado's Myspace operater deleted ALL of the comments since yesterdays announcement, which were 99.9% negative. They already can't handle the poor choice of venue.They can't handle the truth."

Not only were my posts deleted from Langerado's myspace, but they were deleted from here as well. But, I repost:

They want to be able to sell more day passes, so they moved it to Bicentennial Park in downtown Miami. There will be no camping. Late night sets will cost extra and will be at other venues on South Beach. The reported ticket price will be between 175-200 for weekend pass. That's more than last year, that included camping, late night sets and one more day of music. There is also a sound ordinance of 12 to shut everything down in downtown Miami. There is no where to park and where there is, it costs $20. This is a big bullshit move.

booooooooo. no way i'm staying in miami and paying for a festival priced ticket

chesirecat, I haven't overlooked anything about the costs. If you can't afford it then don't go, and stop bitching about it. I agree with oysteria, alot of you are probably pissed cause now that flight from Philly is more expensive and with hotels you can't afford it. I like the weed out process.

I bet they're only moving it so phish can have their big cypress reunion...

Wha happened?

I won't be going. way too expensive, but we don't know that the lineup won't justify the Miami location....hope they don't pull a Bonnaroo

I'll wait to see who's playing before I completely decide if I'll go or not.. but Miami? Meh.. I get weird vibes from that place and if the crowd if going to be anything like Ultra, I will not be attending.

the word is also that 75% of the bands have not played langerado before...that worries me. i bet its repositioning itself as an "indie" festival with more music like lolla to make more money.

wow, what a bummer, everyone knows that having langerado @ big cypress was a great idea. a lot of people that loved that place won't be able to go or won't think it's worth it. no camping is a huge bummer. out of 10 festivals this summer langerado was my favorite and i'm sad to see it go back to a park.

Markham park was the shit in 2006. I remember pulling into the park and just being happy. On the way back to Sunrise Holiday RV Park, our driver fell asleep at a red light and so did I. Did anyone else stay at the Sunrise Holiday Park that year?

I will NOT be going to Langerado this year because of the cost, but maybe the bands they select will attract the Miami crowds.

I just don't get it. No camping...late night shows at other venue's. People drink all day and are now expected to take to the roads at night. What are they thinking?

CENSORSHIP IS NOT PART OF THE JAM COMMUNITY!!!

I have posted the promoters e-mail three times in response to this story and it has been deleted all three times. If anybody else is upset and would like to let the promoter know how you feel, pm me and I'll give you his e-mail.

I can tell you the only reason that so many people have posted negatively in the comments is because we are so very passionate about Langerado. Last year, we were given the best festival that the Southeast US has ever seen. And now they're taking a huge step back and giving the people the opposite of what made last year such a success. We are all upset and hope that there is time that you can make a change.

I AGREE 1974morey!!!

CENSORSHIP IS NOT PART OF THE JAM COMMUNITY!!!

The same thing has happened to me.....Ethan Schwartz's email address is public knowledge. It's on his production company's website (www.southfloridajams.com).

JAMBASE - WHY THE CENSORSHIP!?! WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE OUR VOICES HEARD!!

PEOPLE GO TO THE ABOVE MENTIONED WEBSITE TO GET ETHAN SCHWARTZ'S EMAIL ADDRESS!!!

HOPEFULLY JAMBASE DOESN'T CONTINUE THIS HATEFUL CENSORSHIP!!!

I'm only going again if there is camping!

Ok, so SouthFloridaJams the organizer of Langerado is completely ignoring even well written non-attacking remarks and questions made to their Myspace page. Not one posting has been release on their myspace page before the announcement. Honestly, do they think that this will just be swept under the rug. I would have more respect for them if they would at least release a statement or more details on their thoughts and decisions as to why the significant change instead of keeping all hush hush and in my opinion disrepecting the community that paid for tickets over the past several years. Does they owe me an explanation, not really, but a little honesty would be nice. How about not sending attendees questionnaires at the end of each festival year if you are going to ignore the responses.

Fingers crossed that there is something remarkably huge on the horizon to make up for it.

My apologies for the poor spelling and grammar in last post.

We have to all petition for a move. They need to realize this will be a disaster not only in concerns with economics but miami isn't the safest place for spunions to be wandering around late night. I mean lolla is different because chicago is heady and welcoming unlike the skeevy ass rats that live in miami. But they need to realize that people are upset and want a move because I have seen only about 4 or 5 positive responses about this move so far. We have to all voice our opinions

I, for one, would love to see Langerado at a different site, but we have to be realistic about this. They are NOT going to move the venue. Contracts have already been signed and money has exchanged hands most likely (these things take place before announcements are made). Unfortunately, the best we can do is just boycott it and hope that next year is back in Big Cypress. OF COURSE, the way they are handling this so far makes me think that I will never support anything they do in the future. It is a very sad state of affairs right now.

where do you people get off talking about the homeless people and bums in that area. have you been to that area? it is actually one of the nicer areas of Miami, and i agree, going to Space until noon for a late night would be incredible

discomcgee - I used to live in Little Havana and work at Bayside and doing Reggae Fests at AT&T Amphitheater. So,yes I do know downtown/Overtown pretty well. And you very well know that it is no place for a bunch of spun hippies to be walking around at night.

the way things are going...the LANGERADO headliner is.....

TIESTIO!!!

oh by the way, the dress code for the late-nite shows will be: black button down shirt, black pants preferably slacks, black shiny shoes, hairgel. and dont forget to learn how to negotiate the vevet rope to get in the shows.

oops. i meant

TIESTO!!!!

This is the worse news I have heard in a long time. Langerado WAS an incredible festival that trully embraced true festival life. It's unfortunate that they moved to a trendy egotistical city. For those of you who go...have fun with traffic, and ATF...

Big Cypress last year was ridiculous, at their worst the fire ants make for a silly spunion story but aside from that everything was gorgeous and amazing. If something ain't broke, don't fix it. Why move to Miami? Just read all the posts from people that live in the area and it all seems "so crystal clear" that this is a bad move. Really, if you want a festival in the truest sense of the word check out Summer Camp this year in Chillicothe, IL, especially a band called Zmick. RIP Langerado, you were my first festival and will be sorely missed.

PS They're probably clearing out the fire ants at Big Cyp for Phish NYE '09!!!

this is all stupid

in the middle of downtown miami?

what are these people thinking? i have attended langerado every year since 2005 and it's done nothing but get better and better every year. 2008's langerado was definitely the best it's been. Why take it to a step down? Now you will have to pay extra for late night shows again. I don't know how you guys roll but, that sucks for the working man who is broke and has bills to pay, but i guess the fine people at langerado aren't thinking about too much besides their own pockets. And as for the fire ants, chiggers, and all the other little bugs that all the pansy little "hippies" were so afraid of... get over it you're bigger than them, and spend some more time outside in the future and you won't be so scared of something so stupid.

As a native flordian I can say with certainty that this is wayyyyyy better than markham park, not better than cypress in theory, but will be practically speaking. The festival was just not big enouhg to warrant the huge space last year. Also they kid of put a bunch of sick acts on at the same time. Markham park sucked (althoug good music went down)..... there was no system in place for cabs to get you to a hotel and the night shows were very far away from any place you could stay. This will be more expensive because the hotels will be more money, but it will all be way closer in a city that you can take cabs in. Ill have to wait for the lineup..... but Im pretty sure Ill be there..... oh and I went to big cypress phish and it was well enough said. but lest we not froget phish didnt do too bad a job in miami either maybe even dare I say it most solid run post hiatus......

I have been to Langerado at both Big Cypress and Markham Park, and each year it has rocked. What I am solely pertaining to is the line up and music, and I think that a lot of people are forgetting that..

Seems like last year so many people were slinging everything imaginable that I wondered who was actually buying, and to be honest I am not saint but give me a break.. Is everyone so polluted that for a fest to be good in your book that you have to be completely F***ed up?

I have been to Jam in the Dam and did not see as much emphasis on the drugs as there was last year at Langerado.. and yes in the Dam we were all puffing the most excellent herb on the planet so what does that tell you? Perhaps the expense of going overseas and the high ticket price for that event "weeded" (nice pun, huh!) out all of the people who are at every other fest in the states for the drugs and thank god, jah, allah, peter, bob, and who ever for that. Ethan, if the line up is as good as you have made it in the past 5 years I have followed it that is all that matters. New location? Not the best, but better than last year. At least at the end of the day myself and the other like minded folks that attend will be able to leave the rest behind and not have to camp next to a bunch of spaced out people worshiping glow sticks with nothing more to talk about than who is more wasted..

I think you are forgetting how great it was last year to be able to go from one late night show to the next without any problems. We were able to experience at least a little of each show if we wanted to. Now this year, we have to pay for each late night show and they are going to be scattered throughout miami. Well, you can forget about experiencing as much music as we were able to experiencing last year. So if it's all about the music, which i think it is, then i think everyone has a right to be upset about the venue this coming up year. We not only liked the camping aspect, but the chance to experience all the late night shows was amazing.

Me and mine skipped Langerado last year just because it was in Big Cypress. Now we are back in because its in Miami. Miami is one of the great cities of the US, if you know what you are doing. It may not be spunion friendly, but if that saves lives in the long run then I am all for it.

Danpfunk you and yours are gonna have the best langerado ever!!!! You and yours are going to be 2 of 65 people who show up. Why did i choose 65...because the only people arguing in favor of the move are old people who cant take camping, its to muddy, its to rainy, its to to to.....BOO!

Floridaales...at the end of the day, spunions worshiping glowsticks. How is this possible if you and the like minded old people who dont like camping out, being one with nature being at the true spirit of festivals... are asleep right after the early bird special. You cant see glowsticks at 6 p.m. ....please explain? and if you dont want to explain, maybe you can not bash people for having a good time, or maybe you can egnore them like the mature thing to do. or maybe you and people in favor of this move, will just ruin the other camping festivals

Chesirecat3..Sure I will explain, and by the way I am 29 and was out last year til the end of the night (4am) for most of the days and will most likely attend late night shows this year. I love camping too! Am out in nature in my tent about 3 weeks a year. The spirit of the festivals encompass like minded free thinking people who come together for the music correct? I am not bashing anyone, but find it sad when the basis of how much fun a festival is how messed up people can get there..Read all of the posts and note how many people are worried about the police, driving wasted, etc. What ever happened to it being about the awesome music? This is my point, and I think you are mistaken in thinking that I do not partake in any of the activities I mentioned which is wrong. I party, but it is not why I go to fests and if it is not safe to do at one fest I save it for another. Answer me this question, would you go to a festival that your favorite band was playing at but there was no way to have any "extra fun"? Your answer I would like to hear.

P.S. Not everyone who likes the old glowstick routine is to be put in the group I mentioned, and I did not use the "spunion" word either.. The people I was mentioning were just not the most considerate people I have ever met and they lacked total respect for all of us camping around them trying to sleep at 6am..

jhw2676.. You are right about the late night shows, but in the past few years of late night Langerado shows I have experienced some very intimate, killer sets of some of my favorite bands at different locales. While it was not the most fun to have a sober person (we took turns) I think the change of scenery was great and added a real dynamic to the fest overall, but that is just my opinion. I know it is more expensive but I am not a rich man, I save like everyone else to be able to do things like this and if you miss it, well you miss it. It is not like you aren't already at one of the best music festivals in the country.

I am sorry to who ever was offended by my post, and even by the negativity I did exhibit at certain points. It was however only a response to the overall negativity I had seen in most of the previous posts for what in my opinion are a lot of the wrong reasons...You know what they say about opinions, and mine is just another. If you hate the change, don't go. If you love it, see you there. One thing we should all appreciate overall is that we get the opportunity to experience Langerado.. Sure there are other fests in FL but this is my favorite and I hope it is successful so we see it for years to come whether it be in the middle of a city, or the middle of no where..

I moved from Vermont to Palm Beach county for about 10 months and Langerado last year was probably the best experience i had while living there. now im living back in VT and seeing this news im really glad i went last year. Have fun sounds like a bunch of hair gel wearing douche bags driving yukon denali's and Cadillac Escalades with the occasional trustifarian will make up a majority of the crowd. This is sad news indeed, BOYCOTT LANGERADO!!!!!!!!

Lame as hell! Last year rocked!!! This is going to be way to much $$$ for somebody like me who came rom Maryland last year. 08 Langerado was without a doubt in my top 5 shows of the whole year!...if not THE top. Why do this to us?

The line up and the view on the beach/bay everything else is irrelevant or a bonus... can't wait

just bring on the AMAZING MUSIC and no one will be dissapointed

it all matters on the lineup, if the lineup is amazing and the late nights are bumping you cannot hate. Vegoose was so amazing last year with the same idea except its not vegas and it will be much easier to get to the late nights shows than vegoose was. Also miami, the beach, sleeping in, showers and beds. these are things that are so amazing, this summer will bring plenty of camping festivals and everyone knows that, we need more festivals with bomb locations like miami. bicentennial park is so amazing, i was at ultra last year and that place is crazy for a festival, so many hotels in walking distance and the metro/taxi's will take you anywhere you wanna go. it all comes down to the lineup though, just please give me sts9, the biscuits and lotus and i will be there

Money does not = success. This sucks! I've been looking forward to return since I left Big Cypress. I am pissed!

YES!!!! NO MORE GIANT BUGS IN THE EVERGLADES!!!!

What a mistake....I live in South Florida and that park is an awful place for a festival. We'll miss you Langerado!

So Luckily this article is old and no one is going to say what Karma has brought to the table. Now everyone that argued in favor of the move, you really will be the only people at Langerado. Thank you Phish for making your come back the same weekend as Langerado, you made it so easy for us to make a decision.