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Pretty nice review sucks about the hot venue. UM does burn my ears and not in a good way. Tribe should have closed at least a few a shows of this tour I also like how the reviewer comments on the "underage" kids that waited around for UM. Good stuff
I like how he comments on the shady characters in the shadows. haha why is that so funny to me?
Great pictures, I did a review of a show on this tour in St.Louis. Pterodactyl's were all up in the shadows at that show. Check my page for that review and many others.
"but oftentimes lack cohesion as a unit"? alright ....
i dont know why everyone always rips on umph they are amazing musicians in my opinion umph is better than bisco any day but i have respect for bisco and it always seems like most people either like umph and hate bisco or like bisco and hate umph i dont get it
I caught the show when they came to chicago two weeks ago and it was dirttty. STS9 was good but umphreys blew it out of the water. UMs light show has gotten really good too it was nuts. It was my first sound tribe show and i was impressed overall it was a great combo
I caught this tour in Baltimore last weekend and it was HOT! Umph opened up and ripped it. The heaviest of any sets I've ever seen from them. STS9 closed it out and you don't really need me to tell you how fucking awsome that was. They never ever dissapoint. They are so hot right now, if you havn't seen them, you are doing yourself a real disservice. I don't care if you don't like electronic music. You will love this band. They killed at Rothbury too!
whats the deal with so many soundtribe fans bashing umph's supposedly underaged crowd? first of all it's not true and even if it were you shouldn't judge people's coolness on whether or not they have a beer in their hand.
oh btw Lord-K STS9 did close many stops on this tour, more than UM if i'm not mistaken. and i like soundtribe just fine but they play their stuff pretty much the same every time, just not as interesting (to me) as Umphrey's taking their stuff in new directions every night.
first and for most, sts9 and umph straight kill it. cought a few shows this tour including cinci and chi town. wish i didnt have a job right now, otherwise id say fuck it...im goin on tour! best tour of the summer hands down! jamaica, jamcruise. see you there!
Muffinman: "...and it was HOT!" also, "They are so hot right now," HA. And what's up with Murph wearing a vest and time all the time?
^"and tie"...sory I'm drunk.
"Bayliss and Cinninger....oftentimes lack cohesion as a unit. The same can be said for the band."
I hope that was a joke.
i think roseland turns up the heat to sell more drinks....but this show was amazing. good review. my only issue was there wasn't more old stuff in the sts9 set. but what about umphrey's closing number combining the Beatle's 'Come Together' with NIN's 'Closer'--straight epic. best ny show of the summer thus far.
"And what's up with Murph wearing a vest and tie all the time?"
because he's a classy motherfucker. thats why!
I think Murph might be one of those seedy characters lurking in the shadows he was referring to......if only he wasn't in the middle of the stage. I'm glad to see that all of sts9's success is going right back into the music. But they're getting really big really fast (after years under the radar). With great power comes great responsibility.
"lack of cohesion as a unit" you are crazy dude. um could not do 1/4 of what they do without being 100% in-sync. the on stage communication and unified direction even as a song takes a complete 180....how is that not cohesive? also you are a fool if you say that um doesnt keep interest...by interest do you mean jamming out on the same song for minutes on end? because yes, um doesnt really do that....they play movements which keeps people much more interested than a mindless jam.
I am suprised people were interested in going without Bisco being there.
"lack of cohesion as a unit" is possibly the asinine comment I've ever heard about UM. The centerpiece of the band is their "cohesion as a unit". The reviewer should lay off his analogies and LISTEN TO UMPHREY'S
Tribe is great, i love their new album and love going to their shows. Their shows are quite possibly the biggest dance party ever, every time. However, what I love about UM is that each and every night they takes risks w/every jam, sometimes failing miserably, and sometimes having success. That is why I love UM so much. You can look at a setlist and see songs that were played at any sound tribe show, and you'll know exactly what it sounded like... whereas with an UM show, they could play the same songs two nights in a row, yet neither would sound the same.
Anyways, point being I love the unpredictability that UM brings to the table, as opposed to Tribe playing their songs virtually the same night in and night out.
Dude, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but how can you bash Umph like that. Those boys melted my face that night.
As I remember it, STS9 was lackluster. Barely got the crowd going. Too repetitive, more like background music. I've heard much better sets by them this time last year. Then Umph got on, everyone too dosed out and drunk slunk out of the venue, and we had some space and some killer music.
And, seriously, "Lack of Cohesion"? The only time Umphrey's wasn't spot on is when they tried to pull of "Come Closer" for the encore. And even then, they get an A for effort.
Weak review here jambase, next time get one of the "underage" kids to write the review...and if I hear one more person say "Umphrey's melted my face" I think I'm going to scream.
Umphrey's felted my mace, I mean smelted my ace... oh whatever...
BEST pictures to supplement a review in a while. Guess it might be the indoor venue, which I haven't seen in a few months... Great pics non the less.
I miss the old tribe from a few years back
UM and STS9 are both kick ass, but STS9 doesn't JAM, unless you get a blue mood or move my peeps, you'll get a lot of the same shit, esp. all their new songs, I still love them tho. For UM they were good in 06 (Chicago theatre March show is the best show they've ever played period.) But now they havn't given me the chills in a while, still one of the best act on the scene IMO.
i saw the 2 nights sts9 did back in february(?) at the fillmore, and i have to say, i was not at all impressed. the older material sounded good, although played the same, but a lot of the new shit they were doing sounded like boring hip hop backing tracks with no lyrics. there was no movement to it, no improv to speak of (even though they never were ones to improvise a lot), and it felt like the crowd that was diggin it was diggin it because they have no sense of musical originality in the first place. it was a bunch of young, drunk kids getting dressed up and trying to be "that guy" for one night, or a bunch of those afore mentioned "seedy" tweakers just being there to roll balls to some stagnant, repetitive thumping and sell bunk molly. it felt miles away from the sound tribe shows of several years ago and before. there was a lack of that unity and boiling positive energy between the crowd and the band. i think they need to step back and look at how they got off course and get back to making interesting, textural, aural scapes of spontaneity and prescence rather than this predictable housey bullshit thats gonna lose steam in the near future and be just as tackey in hindsight as 80's drum reverb and cheap string synth sounds. not to sound too negative or anything........
man I was at new york, but let me tell you the next night in bosoton blew NY out of the water. Both STS9 and UM played the most ridiculous face melting sets. Don't Fear the Reaper
terrible review, sts9 lost my attention halfway through the set, i'm sure it was fine for everyone rolling their faces off and was so "much like a lunar eclipse enveloping the sun" that people started crowd surfing. i hope this dudes joking about UM not keeping the crowds attention, best UM show i've seen in years, most progressive band on the scene. i guess the young kids know whats really good...cause this reviewer sure as hell doesn't
UMP & sst9 are OK but WIDESPREAD are the ones that really bring on the super hot heat and melt the faces of those daring enough to witness perfect vocals and super tight mind bending jams.
disco biscuits - same thing- mind blowing jams and spooky good vocals
"nothing too fancy" at this show was awesome, and so was their last song "come closer", wish the reviewer wud have touched on that
nice review i was there good show, nice pictures too. but ive been questioning this rock and roll y2k thing, and wondering why im staring at so many sweaty dudes playing guitars supposed to be entertained.
particularly when theres no music
bisco good vocals?
"Bayliss and Cinninger are undoubtedly talented when it comes to the chops department, but oftentimes lack cohesion as a unit. The same can be said for the band." You're kidding right?
Yeah, I don't like UM at all, but I wouldn't say that they "lack cohesion as a unit."
Saw the Baltimore show and I pretty much agree with you. STS9 absolutely killed it and UMPH was entirely underwhelming. I've seen UM only 4 times and I'm quickly becoming tired of their act...technical prowess goes nowhere with me if I don't find it aesthetically pleasing.
jesus christ bryan enough with the bullshit cliche oh those kids must roll their faces of garbage... I have never rolled and i have seen sts9 almost 60 times.... the funny thing is, is im sure that there are much more kids munchin l than pressies at 9 shows dumbass... yeah just because u don't like it anyone that does must be eatin rolls.. you are a fucking moron... 1989 called and they want their music back, douche bag.
Not sure what language tranceful was typing, but I think I agree that Brian is trying way too hard with the hyperbole and the cliches. Stop telling me what it is like, and tell me what it is.
That said, I need to sack up and write some reviews. Next shit that comes to FL, I promise (Bear Creek).
I went to the show in Cary, NC that UM opened. I was there to see UM and stayed for the first 3 songs of the STS9 set before heading in to Raleigh for a bite to eat before the late night UM. Funny thing though... the older contingent of the crowd was definitely there to see UM and the youngsters were there to see STS9 on this night. As a matter of fact there were 4 or 5 tapers set up for UM and only one remained for STS9. Maybe that is because they just aren't the same without the smoke and lights...
I forgot to mention... I am 42.
Yo personally out of the three i say that bisco rips it when theyre on (big if, but they ve been ripping this summer) but come one you cant tell me that umph lacks cohesion, they straight rock you can be sober and have a great time at umphreys, they are a really good band, i dont know that they improvise as much as we all think, they may be really tight because they really know what theyre about to do (that is my opinion). i dont understand how sts9 can really be so great, like others have said i think theyre music sounds boring at times, of course opinion, i like all good bands and i think that both of the bands on this tour qualify for being at least stellar
btw jake should just buzz the head, when the hair starts to get to that point no sense in denial, or go back to the hat, same with magner for bisco, just let it happen man
This reviewer obviously has no idea about UM's music. Anyone who follows the band knows they are extremely tight and cohesive...especially BB and Jaco.
One of the reasons I was first drawn to Umphrey's McGee was because they were the perfect marriage of prog rock with elements of "jam" music. Their jams are obviously more structured than many of those coming from other so-called jam bands (note the use of hand signals). They are one of the hardest-working bands out there, writing jams, preparing segues, and doing whatever they can to keep the listener satisfied. One thing I love about them that I find lacking in a lot of other progressive rock acts is they seem to have soul. They play their hearts out. Within their structure, they leave enough open to be expressive. To say that they have technical prowess but lack cohesion is not very gracious of the reviewer. Both the progressive technical prowess and the cohesion they have in their jams is exactly why I love them so much. I never get bored. Of course I biased. They are my favorite band. I too left STS9 early in Cary so that I could be at the front of the stage for the late night set in Raleigh (nothing against STS9). Both of UM's sets were amazing!
Editorial correction..."Of course I am biased."
umph set 8-1-08 was dis-jointed and spastic. they had a shitty song selection..other than shine on you crazy diamond and the last two songs of their set.
STS9 played an old school set that was freaking perfect!!! I mean perfect!!!!
^^....Widspread PANIC are the ones that bring on the super hot and melt the faces of those....^^
Where is the review on the ATL show where Umphreys and Sts9 both didnt perform because the Venue couldnt get power!!! Fuck the Masquarade!
sts9 is in a rut right now. compared to my first shows (halloween at the tabernacle in '03), these guys have really gone downhill. they couldn't hold my attention at rothbury, and from what I've heard and had friends tell me that's been the trend for this tour - moments of briliance surrounded by mediocrity. before people start talking shit, you need to just take a collective step back and hear this music for what it is - unimaginative and boring. sts9 is one of my favorite bands out there right now, but anyone who starts heaping praise on the piss they're pouring in our ears needs to reexamine their musical tastes. these guys just need to change up or drop some of this peaceblaster stuff, it just doesn't suit them. that's my .02
^^^^ They don't FUCKING JAM anymore, that's the problem.
Absolutely have to agree. I've seen Tribe at least a few times a year for the past half decade and must say they are moving away from what made them great. Really upsets me too, when they were in their prime they could rage with such originality, now those sick jams and the great vibe seem to be a thing of the past.
HALLOWEEN ..... Warfield and Slim's, SF what?!?!?! Is it getting towards the end of October yet?
I am completely happy with the 8-1-08 set. sts9>>>>>> old school!!!!!
I thought school was out for the summer... Guess some of you need remedial rage 101. Jambands and the custy fans who follow them.
no hate but right now i think that this summer bisco threw down, every set ive heard has reminded me why they are so nasty (maybe now they practice and dont get too f ed up before shows) sts9 is a snorefest and umphreys is sick
This whole UM/9 tour has brought different scenes to different cities. Madison, the younger crowd was for um and the majority of the crowd split after STS9. The STL shows...um was cut short due to weather (terrible the whole tour, no?) but when we strolled in to hear STS9 close, again all I saw was a very young soaked (so they were obviously there for um) , beligerant fan base. Chicago, who were the fk'd up kids puking on themselves, slangn pressies...young um fans.
Talented, of course. Anyone with an ear or knowledge of music can attest to that about um. But, their sound is an ADD kids worst nightmare. Being from Chicago it's not like I hadn't tried 4+ times in the last 5 years to get into um...but spastic Iron Maiden just isn't for me.
Hope whoever went out this tour enjoyed themselves, and the music that was dropped.
"again all I saw was a very young soaked (so they were obviously there for um) , beligerant fan base. Chicago, who were the fk'd up kids puking on themselves, slangn pressies...young um fans."
^^^ How do you know these fans weren't STS9 fans, or more likely, fans of both bands? More needless commentary about FANS and not MUSIC. Why is it so hard for some people to go to a show and not come home with sweeping generalizations about the crowd? It's OK that you don't like UM, but don't paint an unrealistic picture with colors of unjustified assumptions.
I'm 19, and I went to Madison. But why does it matter how young the crowd is? Seriously, it has NO effect on how the bands play. Who cares? And it is possible that someone likes both of these bands. But really, why do all the young kids bother everyone? Do they offend you in some way? I think that just means more people are starting to like jam music. UM is very technically sound. This review is a joke. Stop writing about the temperature and talk about the music.
Old people suck, they get in the way at shows, stay home and wax your ass hairs or do what old farts do. Let the kids rage, keep those old dirty asses clean for once. BTW old people smell like fermented jenkem left out for two weeks.
It doesn't matter how old you are, but how you act. Most of the UM shows I've been to the crowd looks like they are freshmen in college. No biggie, but when you talk over the band through the entire show, it fuckin really gets on my nerves.
As for STS9, saw em in '01, blew my mind. The crystals, positive energy, and frantic drumming & jamming completely sucked me in. 1st show I really let loose at and just danced my ass off (i'm only 25). But didn't see 'em again til '04. Did not even resemble the band I originally saw. Still good, at times, but they just did not do it for me then, or the couple times I saw them since. Wish I could go back and catch that band that seemed so innovative 6-7 years ago.
jenkem, you're obviously still in high school. once you grow up you might realize how awesome getting older can be, unless you simply can't handle raging it anymore. i have no problem keeping up with anybody, and the youngsters don't bother me at all. it's nice to see a wide sampling of all walks of life coming together for live shows. keep the peace! n try not to vomit on anybody or pass out before the show is over.
post script - UM & STS9 both have a large following of younger fans, and they probably don't care either.
The crowd around you at a show can affect how good of a time you had, and your perception of a show. Somebody close by, puking during a show, would be a bummer for me. Kind souls who offer good conversation are always a positive. And as far as age goes there are limits. I just got back from Dunegrass (excellent as always, love the mitten) and during moe’s set on Saturday I had 3 girls mash in front of me during “seat of my pants”. They were obviously on a lot of drugs, screaming for no reason, not paying attention to the music, and did not look a day over 13. These were young children. Not cool in my book.
I'd rather have a bunch of young kids then abunch of messed up tweekers who don't care about the music and go just for the drugs. I'm 18 and go to alot of shows and notice that the people who are annoying at shows aren't always the young kids, its the people who go and talk, do a large variety of drugs at once, constantly bump into people and get so drunk that they can't stand up straight. Also reviewer how in the world is UMPH no cohesive? their music is based on all being on the same page and constantly working together to take it to new places. You obviously didn't see all the hand signals and them talking to each other on stage to stay on the same page. I have seen them many times and the nyc they were rocking and put on a much better set than STS9 and I'm a huge fan of both bands. IMO once STS9 was done the crowd got smaller because alot of people went to the latenight PA set instead of UMPh andthere was plenty of room to dance and they didnt dissapoint this was probably one of the worst reviews ive read on this site about such a great show
I just need to reiterate this point:
Umphrey's is the definition of COHESION. No other band can take off at a 100 miles an hour then make a haripin turn the other way at full speed while Brendan and Jake shred then throw in some assault riffs.
And I think they mix it up well, unlike some bands (moe.?) who seem to have a few uninspired jams. And sure, it burns your ears, but in a good way, especially songs like Wizard Burial Ground, which will just leave you in shreds.
And screw the comments about the fans, who cares, you go to a show to enjoy the music not chill with the fans.
So shame on you Brian Bavosa, try actually listening to UMPHREYS sometime.
some funny ass comments on this thread. Since when did age become an issue with music?
UM & STS9 were NYC on point.............Legendary Roseland Ballroom is a disgrace 100 degrees in NYC real sad, those penny pinchers should be ashamed!
HAHA this might as well be a chat room for sex and the city with the amount of bitching and whining going on here. when it comes down to it both bands are really different and really talented , if you cant realize the talent of both these groups then you shouldnt be listening to music. I for one am not an umphreys fan , but that doesnt mean that they are a terrible band . and for all the people hating on tribes new shit, the y have to try and switch it up see what works ,every band has potential for growth and what you dont like 10 other people may think is amazing. maybe you guys are just getting old and agro at a scene that is becoming bigger and bigger. it goes to shwo the bigger you are the more people there is that have negative things to say about u
this board is funny as hell. i have been saying the umphr crowd in pink nippled babies for a loong time.
gmoo > I simply asked who they were here to see. Period.
umph is way better then STS9.... STS9 basically DJ's a club for a few hours.... they play cool beats... but if you see enough shows that stuff gets old and boring.... umph gives it there all every night and are always coming up with new ways to impress the crowd.... umphrey's is improving every time i see them.... and this show was no exception.... while the stops in philly and boston might have had some better sets.... this one was still very unique.... and the writer sounds like he is some underager who hasnt developed an appreciation of good talent yet
I have to personally agree with c00lmike regarding STS9- I started seeing them about six or more years ago and was really knocked out, loved their vibe and also met some really super nice people. Seeing them recently was totally different- I still admire them and what they are doing, but the music has lost a lot of the hippy melodic quality that I liked. The recent scene was also much less genuine.
On another item in this thread, I am older than 99% of you, and have never really felt that to be an issue. I give respect and I get respect; many folks like to ask about seeing Dead or Phish because they are too young to have done so. I used to love seeing the older folks at Dead shows. Anyway, no hate here, I just don't dig the direction STS9 chose to go in. I do congratulate them on their success.
Possibly a stupid question for anyone at the show: Was it Zach on drums for STS9? Cuz I thought I heard Murph say Zach wasn't there for some reason and there was an alternate drummer for this NYC show. (I know this JamBase review says Zach was there but I don't necessarily believe it.) Can anyone verify this?
Nice review and pic's. Thanks for keeping it real -
1998-2001 = The best of Sound Tribe (especially @ SF Filmore/Warfield)
Um has grown and evolved into a stronger band over the years
Disco Bis. stay on the East Coast please
I was at this show. Sound Tribe was God Awaful any time they got things going they would end the song. Also the keyboardist plays over the guitarist any time he tries to do a lead. He seems jealous. He always does that. Maybe the keyboard doesn' want to bwe outshines, No one was dancing. The show was slow and boring. Umphreys blew them off the stage. It was as if STS9 hadn't even played. I felt ripped off. I would've rather seen 2 sets of Umhreys. I like STS9, but they need to get a little looser.
rather than contribute to the ongoing negativity and the this-is-why-my-band-is-superior-to-yours banter, i just wanna point out to anyone who caught both tribe shows that they played TWO shock doctrines in a single night in NYC. whether you're down with blaster or not, doctrine easily has to be one of the better (if not undisputed best) coming off their new disc. getting 2 of those within hours of each other was like walking on water. glorious. blender theatre also has to be one of the sweetest venues the city's got goin. i felt the boys tore it up more so there than they did at roseland. hope everyone else enjoyed 'em both as much as i did. and velmer definitely still played drums. not sure what murph said but check out the pics. plus it'd be pretty noticeable if someone tried to fill his vacancy.
Horrible review. Lacks cohesion as a band? and the underage fans that were up front for Umphrey's? Umphrey's is so tight with each other and are the most technical proficient band out there. Don't know why so many people blast Umphrey's all the time when they are the hardest working band in the scene and continue to get better with every show. Long live THE BOYS and stay away from Umphreys shows so the real Partyin' Peeps can listen to Wizard Burial Ground with out a bunch of trash talking hula hoopers snorting special k and spinning in the back. Photos were good though.
Hello this IS Walk Not Run, and i would like to say i went to these shows/tour and it was great all around for UM fans... the late night in Philly was ridiculous, and all of the other shows were insane as well. To say that UM lacks cohesion is absolute ludacricy, that is whats so good about them. It seems to me that the reviewer must of left early because he was so hot and tired, because he seemed to miss when UM peaceblasted all over his face!! HE is right STS9 was a perfect opener for the rock gods of UM, and for the fans of UM because we were so ready for them to come on after trying to groove to "shock Doctrine" twice....ugghhh! Dont get me wrong i love going to STS9 shows, but it is crazy to compare button pressing homies with no peak beats, to master musicians. sorry.. see "y'all" in berkeley
Murph walked by me at the B'more show. His outfit makes him look creepy not classy.
blah some of you can really take the fun out of all of this... relax, take it easy, to each their own, goodnight.
get rid of this writer
7.19;08 I saw STS9 and Umphrey's in Chicago at the Charter One Pavillion. STS9 was very good, kept the vibe easy and relaxed, but I didn't like them as much in an outdoor venue with the sun still shining. However STS9 jammed harder with each song and by the time the sun had set they were rocking. I'm told they even played into Umphrey's scheduled time, which is fine with me because they progressively became stronger as the night went on. Umphrey's took the momentum from STS9's opening and played probably the best show I've seen them play of the three shows I've gone to.
Later that night at about 1.30 am I found myself dancing to some Tribe at the House of Blues after show and witnessed the best live music I've ever listened to. STS9 definitely had a stronger vibe and connection going with the crowd in the small HOB that only holds 216 people on the floor. I know that because I got the 2nd to last ticket to the show:) and my stub says 215. Anyways STS9 definitely was better inside an indoor venue with a smaller crowd. As or Umphrey's they topped STS9 at the early show, but late night STS9 dominates.