The RZA Goes Bobby Digital

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By: Andrew Bruss


RZA
The RZA, born Robert Diggs, has spent the last 20 years building what he refers to as "the mother brand" into what most people know as the Wu-Tang Empire. After the Wu-Tang Clan dropped their debut album, Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), in 1993, the RZA began producing and self-promoting the Wu-Tang brand until it was both a cultural and capitalistic enterprise that has spawned comic books, a clothing line, video games and everything else short of a Wu-Tang breakfast cereal.

As consumer-based as this may seem, the RZA's musical impact on the hip-hop community in the 1990's is unparalleled. He followed 36 Chambers by producing the debut album of the soon-to-be Wu-Tang superstar, Method Man. Meth's album, Tical, was followed by an array of debut albums from Wu-Tang members who went on to play a vast role in the world of hardcore rap. The GZA/Genius released the linguistically astonishing Liquid Swords. Ghostface Killa started building his discography with Ironman. Raekwon put out Only Built For Cuban Linx (widely credited with giving birth to the Mafioso hip-hop sub-genre) and the late Ol' Dirty Bastard started making headlines after coming out with Return To The 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version, all produced by the RZA.

Interestingly enough, when the RZA felt it was time to start his own solo career, he veered away from his leadership position as the abbot of Wu-Tang, and began releasing outside-of-the-box character-based albums under his comic book-esque alias, Bobby Digital. On the heels of his third Bobby Digital album, Digi Snacks (released June 24, 2008), he talked about his alternate persona with JamBase.

"Bobby Digital is more fun. It's more of an original style, more original talent," says the RZA. "I've been trying to make another album for people who are trying to get into my world. This is a great opportunity to get into a fun and entertaining world of lyricism and music."

When compared to past Bobby Digital albums, such as his 1998 debut, Bobby Digital In Stereo, the RZA says that the new album "is real different. It's a lot more focused. It's a lot more in the natural parameters of thought; this one's not as out-of-the-box."

Tru James, the frontman for Stone Mecca, a Wu-Tang affiliated "future soul band" that performed on Digi Snacks and will be backing the RZA on the upcoming Bobby Digital tour, says that the RZA's development as a musician makes Digi Snacks one of the better albums he's ever made. "I think a lot of people don't know that the RZA plays instruments. He plays piano and you'd be like, 'Wow, I didn't know you could play like that.' He plays guitar and a bunch of different instruments," says James. "The same way he used to sample albums that had musicians on 'em playing and messing with different things, now that he's a better musician he doesn't have to use those samples and pay people for stuff like that all the time. He still does a bit, but he doesn't have to."

Regarding the heavy emphasis of live instruments on Digi Snacks, James says, "His sound quality is going to be different than it used to be. With the samples, they became a part of hip-hop, but it left room for the producer to have something to manipulate. Now that he can break up the instruments and make the bass do this, and change the guitar over here, and change the EQ, he has more freedom to be the free artist that he is."

RZA
"We do the Wu-Tang sound, and he told us we both came with the same idea, and the same thing," James says about his group's relationship with the RZA. "Being a part of something as huge and worldwide as Wu-Tang itself is an honor, and we really appreciate that the RZA came around and dug what we were doing enough to let us be affiliated with everything he has going on."

Although they aren't a hip-hop act, James felt that when the RZA took Stone Mecca under his wing, he effectively helped diversify the brand. "He feels like his fans that love hip-hop would love what we do because we do the same stuff that he samples." Helping the RZA make his new album, James says he learned one thing: "Trust the RZA's Judgment. He knows what he's doing."

As far as the role Bobby Digital plays in the Wu-Tang universe, the RZA says, "Bobby Digital exists within the framework [of the Wu-Tang brand], of course. Bobby Digital, and everything I do, is founded in Wu-Tang when it comes down to it. Wu-Tang is my foundation. I'm the founder of Wu-Tang. Anything I do is going to be a part of that brand."

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If I wasn't rooted in my study of Islam, and the study of other stories and religions, if I wasn't well versed in those studies I would have made a lot more mistakes in life. I looked at great men - Solomon, the Krishna, Muhammad - all these men evoke in you a desire to follow yourself and to not be bought off. It's been a big part of me.

-The RZA

 

"Wu-Tang is the mother brand. Look at T-Mobile. You can get the Blackberry or the Sidekick. You can get many things from the same brand. They do different functions. That's how I look at it," the RZA continues. "The mother brand is Wu-Tang, but if you look at it like Nabisco, you've got your Oreos and your Nutter Butters. They're all by the same company but [offer] a different taste for different people."

The RZA and his ladies
As the RZA gears up to tour as Bobby Digital (on tour now, dates available here), he's actively working on the score to Spike TV's Afro Samurai, and will be acting alongside Jude Law and Forrest Whitaker in the upcoming Repossession Mambo. Always reaching for higher aspirations, he says, "My next endeavor is to be a movie director. I wrote a film called The Man With The Iron Fist, and we're looking to go into production by the end of this year. I took hip-hop to a certain level with audio, and now I want to go visual. I want to make movies to express my art - not just acting but directing. My goal is to make some classic movies."

As far as he's come, the RZA relates his current success to his family roots. "[When Wu-Tang started out] it was definitely family based. When I first started, my brother Devine was always part of Wu-Tang. He was the brother of mine who was older than me, got a job earlier than me, was on the streets earlier than me, and therefore he was the guy who brought me to buy my first turntable. He got a job to help me buy records."

Mitchell "Devine" Diggs has gone on to handle the business side of the Wu-Tang Empire. However, family alone didn't inspire the dynamic the RZA developed for the Wu-Tang Clan.

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"My family was always involved, but also I've always been a big fan of The Godfather trilogy, and that inspired my business ideas. Loyalty, brotherhood, the brotherhood of the Shaolin Temple and the Shaolin Monks, all these things inspired my way of thinking. I read the Art of War and apply that to my thinking," says the RZA. "So, family is definitely a foundation. We called Wu-Tang the Clan because we were all family. It was a bunch of guys who knew each other from the beginning who had love and admiration for each other. That kind of thing built a family vibe. At one point it felt more like my family because I come from a big family. Look at Masta Killa. He doesn't have a brother. Look at the GZA. His brother was in jail. You look at Rae. He had younger brothers but he didn't have older brothers. I had five older brothers. I came from a big family of 11 kids and a whole lot of cousins, so it was always family vibes."

In addition to the influence of family, music, film and an "enlightening" on "Supreme Mathematics" from his cousin Gary "GZA" Grice, he's found considerable wealth in the lessons learned from Holy Scripture.

"I think if I wasn't rooted in my study of Islam, and the study of other stories and religions, if I wasn't well versed in those studies I would have made a lot more mistakes in life," reflects the RZA. "I looked at great men - Solomon, the Krishna, Muhammad - all these men evoke in you a desire to follow yourself and to not be bought off. It's been a big part of me."

One event he found particularly inspiring was the "rap story itself."

"The fact that it started out with a brother and a sister who put their money together with $35 and cut a record, that inspired me," he says. "When I founded Wu-Tang Records, I asked my sister to chip in. She didn't agree to it though."

For a man who has his hand in so many pockets, the question as to what he'll do with his future was answered with the same never-ending enthusiasm that helped him get his empire off the ground in the first place.

"I'm like a flower that's blossoming, that keeps on unfolding more and more petals about itself. There are many layers to me, like an onion. You'll just keep discovering more and more."

The RZA is on tour now with Stone Mecca, dates available here.

RZA as Bobby Digital "You Can't Stop Me Now":

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Comments

beadiamondsomday starstarstarstarstar Tue 6/24/2008 04:21PM
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beadiamondsomday

all up in yo ass like a victoria secret wedgie!! it is refreshing to hear about good hip hop! is it just me or does mainstream rap suck now? it seemed like it was still good ten- fifteen years ago. i would deff pay to see the rza or any wu member for that matter, im gonna have to get some of the soul stuff i guess. any sugestions?

cuttyfives Tue 6/24/2008 04:55PM
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Danimal Tue 6/24/2008 05:16PM
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Danimal

Lil Wayne is a fucking idiot and so is Rick Ross. Weak ass commercial bullshit for people who prefer not to think. It's not just you.

dsawthestone starstarstarstarstar Tue 6/24/2008 05:42PM
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dsawthestone

great article, cant wait to hear the album and hopefully get a live fill of digisnacks in the chi. and cutty- both those dudes suck. Lil wayne is mainstream rap at its most pathetic imo. If you want some great hip hop check out Murs, or anything produced by Dangermouse (dm & jemini...dangerdoom)

bealotcoolerifyoudid Tue 6/24/2008 05:51PM
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bealotcoolerifyoudid

^^^ word dsawthestone, Dangerdoom is nasty, or anything by MF for that matter, or EL-P, Aesop, and Murs is nice too. cuttyfives, I can't believe you just said that. What a clown.

DrewF Tue 6/24/2008 06:05PM
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Yea Lil wayne and Rick Ross are deffinitly horrible, and the rest of mainstream rap or nething mainstream really

theguykeator Tue 6/24/2008 06:13PM
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theguykeator

Ah yeah, that was a sick video. Solid beats and rhymes!! I am sceptical going to see RZA live due to the past Wu letdowns. But I cant deny, RZA is the man.

cuttyfives Tue 6/24/2008 06:38PM
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cuttyfives Tue 6/24/2008 06:47PM
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santacruzin Tue 6/24/2008 06:55PM
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cutty,

your typical midwest ignorance and poor taste are almost too funny to reply to. doom rules hip hop. do the rest of the country a favor and stay in missouri. WESTSIDE!!

Muffinman1 Tue 6/24/2008 07:04PM
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Muffinman1

cutty, you are definetly a clown, DOOM rules, lil wayne is a joke, and Rick Ross? I don't even know who that is.

cuttyfives Tue 6/24/2008 07:16PM
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Santacruzin, i am from Chicago, born and raised. Although i do have a lot of respect for you because of your missouri bashing, i have to inform you that doom does not rule hiphop. he puts on fake shows, has no beat making skills, and his lyrics are pretty weak also. Why dont you try some MF Grimm, DOOms coutnerpart from KMD, for a starting point. Also, try removing your head from your ass. Take off the upperplayground, unbent new era hat, and smell your own farts like all the pussies on the "left" coast. How can someone even make such a claim without knowin Rick Ross is? You are the "clowns" LOL, Get a job you herbs.

I dont claim to know more about the dead or pumping dude mcgees, but i def. will drop knowledge on hip hop/rap.

njp155 starstarstarstarstar Tue 6/24/2008 07:58PM
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straight up Wu-tang runs hip-hop and each member could rap circles around weezy or rick ross...look at the talent RZA has, he produces albums, movie scores, etc...what does weezy do, he has to have jay-z make his beats because people probably wouldn't listen otherwise, just like 50 Cent, mainstream rap blows nowadays its not like the early 90s when you had wu-tang coming up and rakim tearing up the scene. Hip-hop nowadays is all about the underground rap, not ringtone rap like weezy puts out...mf doom is ill and deff has better rhymes then most artists...if you wanna check out some good rap check hieroglyphics or some other bay area groups (dilated peoples, people under the stairs) or some good nyc hip-hop (Non Phixion, Organized Konfusion) or even the Philly scene with Jedi Mind Tricks and Outerspace. I'm a huge hip-hop fan and honestly rap coming out of the south can't compete with other hip-hop...I have grown up in nyc my whole life and the best hip-hop comes out of this area, without a doubt

cuttyfives Tue 6/24/2008 08:17PM
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people under the stairs are alright, Non Phixion? LOL!! nobody gives a damn if you are from nYC, without a doubt. U-God and Masta Killa have never done shit. I love wu, but some members carried others. Doom sucks, you prob dont even own 1 special herbs album. backpacker

Beaser starstarstarstarstar Tue 6/24/2008 09:47PM
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Beaser

Rza is ill. Wu is ill. Doom is ill. nice article, cuttyfives, its hard for me to believe you dont have anything better to do than talk shit in the comments on jambase..hope its worth all the time you've put into it

shanky95 Tue 6/24/2008 10:27PM
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yo cutty, what kind of music do you listen to? Why do you think no one has a job? What's wrong with backpacks? You put shit in 'em so you don't have to hold it when you walk around. Jedi Mind, Dilated Peoples, Blackalicious, U God and Masta Killa havn't done shit, but they're still 8 chambers out of 36. HEARD!! Cutty on my Nuttys...

trpnbily87 Wed 6/25/2008 02:13AM
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Masta Killa - Made in Brooklyn. he did that, its awesome.

rhythmic_randomness Wed 6/25/2008 04:45AM
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Here we go again with the onslaught of people who try to dupe each other with their self-assumed superior intelligence. What the hell makes you people think that just because you can't use something that it becomes obsolete? Also, you can't dismiss someone's talent or worth to the scene (especially) when they gain popular recognition. Not everyone that can get into pop culture is an f'ing idiot. I tend to believe, more as time passes, that most of the peoples' stated disgust with the mainstream here, has to do with the fact that they haven't successfully created a plan leading to their own personal success, which might gain popular acceptance. Personally, I couldn't give a shit less what all of you think of me, should you have the good grace to leave me alone in my endeavors and attempts at enlightenment. Say what you will but there is something good to be said about someones showmanship, even in the presence of negative criticism. After all, those trying to denounce someone's appeal are already part of the audience that has been commanded.

ndant703 Wed 6/25/2008 06:12AM
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ndant703

Wow, a hip-hop argument breaks out on Jambase. I dont know alot of who you people are talking about, but I read all of the artciles here, so Ill respond. How about enough with the my favorite band/artist is better than your favorite band/artist??? Let's just intelligently say what we like about a certain band and say what we dislike about another band, instead of sounding like a F*ckin' retarded teenager! Deal???

hotchkiss starstarstarstarstar Wed 6/25/2008 07:44AM
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hotchkiss

i'll agree with cutty on one thing, mf doom is pretty damn weak!!!! never understood all the hype.

as far as lil wayne and rick ross goes, cutty suggested them as good mainstream rap albums. does that warrant name calling?

i would suggest kayne's first two albums, any jay z, nas, tupac, biggie. that's some good "mainstream rap" right there. do i desearve to be called a retard?, cutty?

as far as who rules hip-hop, check out the anticon roster.

also check out the under ground hip-hop in your town. i know it's there, if we have one here in orange county you most likely have one to.

mojofolk Wed 6/25/2008 07:47AM
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mojofolk

Now Now... Missouri isn't that bad... and some of us have pretty good taste in music... granted I'm jumpin' ship and heading to Thailand/Cambodia, but there will be some Bobby Digital in my ipod

pimpmcgeorge starstarstarstarstar Wed 6/25/2008 07:58AM
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pimpmcgeorge

Jeez, someone mentions mainstream rap (or mainstream anything, for that matter) and it's kryptonite to some of you people. I'm with cuttyfives. Lil Wayne, mainstream or not, can flat out spit...and I haven't heard Carter III start to finish yet, but his recent mixtapes have been pretty dope. MF Doom is okay lyrically, I suppose, but he puts me straight to sleep. Expand your horizons, people, and stop getting all eggy when someone suggests that something I'm sure you've never listened to before.

sethro42 Wed 6/25/2008 08:33AM
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MF Grimm taught Doom everything he knows. DOom even stole the MF title from Grimm. Go listen to American Hunger, possibly one of the best hip hop albums ever. And the only three disc hiphop album to ever be released. So many different styles on one album, one can't fuck with Gimm and the monster island czars. Can't wait to hear this new RZA shit. Hope it is better than the latest WU album. Also for concious enlightening hip hop check out the Lost children of Babylon. The freshest thing to happen to hip hop since Enter the 36 Chambers. Mainstream has not been good since Biggie died.

nicholas1 star Wed 6/25/2008 08:49AM
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alex starstarstarstarstar Wed 6/25/2008 09:28AM
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alex

this andrew guy is a BAD A$$ for getting this interview. The jam band scene is so lucky to get the Wu Tang love

alex Wed 6/25/2008 09:29AM
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alex

and yeah, a hip hop argument on jambase is pretty damn cool

alex starstarstarstarstar Wed 6/25/2008 09:30AM
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alex

pete rock 914 is the best song ever and about my area code. underground rap concert = no girls, but its still awesome

rhythmic_randomness Wed 6/25/2008 10:39AM
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Busta Rhymez, anyone?...

sbruce44 starstarstarstarstar Wed 6/25/2008 10:53AM
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sbruce44

Wow, that Lil' Wayne, what a sellout maaaaaaaaan. What a puppet of MTV and the corporations maaaaaaaaaan. It's a good thing I have all these informed and levelheaded Jambase commenters to let me know what a sheep I was for listening to him. Well, lesson learned for me, I guess; it is imperative for me to condemn anything with popular appeal if I want to continue to be perceived as "edgy" and/or "authentic" by people I don't know and only communicate with in a virtual space. Oh, what's this? A Lil Wayne mixtape! Whoa, another Lil Wayne mixtape! And he released this one for free download! Hmmm... that doesn't sound very mainstream or sellout at all... Ah, fuck it, he was on MTV, he must be ass nugget. Jambase commenters 1, my judgement 0.

I feel like this conversation is forcing me to ignore something awesome and really bad ass that happened... Oh, there it is, new Bobby Digital. The B, the O, the B, the B, the Y...

schoolzside starstarstarstar Wed 6/25/2008 12:38PM
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schoolzside

I give the RZA props for everything he does, but i do have to add that he is straight up horrible live. At least as Bobby Digital. Attended his show in SF i believe '01 at the Maritime, the worst act i've ever seen. Serious. He came out, bottle of crys, hittin' heads' blunts from the audience... couldn't even spell B.O.B.B.Y.D.I.G.I.T.A.L. Ridiculous. Walked out after 5-6 songs. His albums are all on point, i do give him that, and from friends' comments seeing him w/ the Clan (he's great there). But after the solo Bobby Digital show i saw, NEVER AGAIN will i see a RZA show as any counter ego. Just stay the RZA!

Jenny Jen starstarstar Wed 6/25/2008 01:02PM
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Jenny Jen

Rock the Bells 2008. Fuck Little Dick, Wayne, whatever his name is now. Hip-hop, real hiphop is not music you dumskies, it's a way of life. Rza is trying to reinvent himself, he's paid his dues enough to try that and look like a fool for a few years if that's what some may say, but he's still a living icon in the hiphop culture...always will be. Nice article..

twain Wed 6/25/2008 01:19PM
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saw rza/gza n slick rick at echo project. they had a great LIVE band backing up which i was happy about. halfway before slick came out they started with the fuck everything vibe which was hard to listen too and i felt was totally unnecesary and added nothing good to the set.

cuttyfives Wed 6/25/2008 04:27PM
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MyFavBandIsTheBestYoursSucks starstarstar Thu 6/26/2008 10:11AM
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MyFavBandIsTheBestYoursSucks

Lyrics Born, Blackalicous, Common, Outkast, Brother Ali, Atmosphere, Doomtree & P.O.S ect., Murs, And lets not forget about the best live hip hop band & M.C.: The Legendary Roots Crew! Yes there is hope for Hip Hop.

Michael Knight Thu 6/26/2008 03:59PM
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Michael Knight

Bobby Bobby Bobby

Digi-Digi-Digi!!!!!!!!

chuckt387 Thu 6/26/2008 10:34PM
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wow u people are ridiculous...first of all lil wayne is the best rapper alive (and i love, love, love wu-tang) but how can u call wayne a sell out when he released more dope ass shit for free than anyone ever in the hip hop world. before carter III he didnt release an album for three years, and he was hotter than anyone. and for those that thing wayne cant rhyme have obviously not heard ne of his shit... i mean seriously wayne is on another level and i think that is not to be contested. and i dont think rick ross needs to be synonymous with lil wayne. wayne has been on the scene since he was like 17 and ross has been around for maybe 18 months. so please listen to tha carter III and tell me wayne cant rap and mainstream rap is weak u narrowminded deadhead fucks

schwarzcat Fri 6/27/2008 05:48AM
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Well...in a related matter GZA will be playing in NC at the Trinumeral Festival in August. See some of the Wu-Tang live. www.trinumeral.com. Check it out. it should be a blast.

JenkemJay Fri 6/27/2008 03:39PM
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JenkemJay

bring the muthafuckin jenkem bring the muthafuckin jenkem

flygolf Sat 6/28/2008 07:34AM
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flygolf

"bobby bobby bobby, digi digi digi, stuck to your ass like a Victoria Secret weggie"

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The ultra talented RZA, (fyi) composed the soundtrack to Tarantino's first Kill Bill.

Michael Knight Sat 6/28/2008 12:11PM
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Michael Knight

Lil Wayne sucks. How can anyone even put him in the same sentence as BOBBY DIGI???

BobbyShortcutShows starstarstarstarstar Sat 6/28/2008 01:19PM
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BobbyShortcutShows

as someone who is also from the Chi-tilla (rippin fools like the god-zilla)

ne ways, but now i live on the left coast which is definately the best coast! and ive discovered good underground hip-hop! Making the music myself i can tell you teh RZA is the real deal, but the anticon label is full of amazing artists. Then there is the bay and l.a. scenes which are amazing. I know many kids who got to project blow in L.A. (thats where freestyle fellowship, shapeshifters, and many other great groups come from! all the crap out east is basically the same and chicago has only one good son Common not ye'. But there are many good great acts like all natural from the south/southwest side. so open yer ears and erase your fears.

Kindskatz Mon 6/30/2008 02:10PM
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Kindskatz

all i listen to is hip hop pretty much and I just wanted to say that IMHO

RZA is the best producer/rapper ever.

I listen to all kinds of hip hop. I'm not ashamed to say that Lil Wayne is the best MAINSTREAM rapper alive right now. I've been waiting to hear The Carter II for almost 3 years...and I'll admit that it's pretty fucking weak. However, go check out Da Drought 2 and Dedication 1 and/or 2. He's spittin'some pretty clever shit at times. Wyane's not for everyone, but I'd recommend checking out the masterpiece that is The Carter II first. Then move on to mixtapes he made AFTER The Carter II.

I like some of the stuff MF Doom does on wax, but the live show ain't great, and there have been charges that Doom has one of his entourage put on his mask and lip sync and calls it a show. Wouldn't surprise me.

I was at the GZA show at Echo when Rae came out. Fucking legendary shit, it was completely amazing. To the guy who complained about that one, clean your fucking ears out and recognize true Hip Hop. And I'll be at Trinumeral w/my band and my mission is to find GZA and smoke a blunt w/him.

And Cutty, though it's obvious it's not going to take a lot to make you look like a jackass, at least help us out a little and get your facts straight. You said Doom has no beatmaking skills and his lyrics are weak. Dude's an ill producer, google his production credits. You also said U-God and Masta Killa have never done shit. Except for being members of the Wu-Tang Clan, probably the greatest hip hop collective ever. In my eyes, that means they've done at least one thing in Hip Hop.

Here's another Cutty gem:

"I dont claim to know more about the dead or pumping dude mcgees, but i def. will drop knowledge on hip hop/rap."

I'm a Hip Hop Head and your "knowledge" is embarassing me and anyone else who is a REAL Hip Hop Head.

You also said Murs sucks and his lyrics are weak. You're an idiot, there's really no other way of putting it.

But the most outlandish shit you've said has go to be you saying Jay-Z produced a lot of the beats on the Carter III. Get your shit straight SON. Jay-Z is not a beatmaker, never has been. And the Carter III is a major disapointment artistically, for people in the know anyway.

And DangerDoom sucks?? I don't even know why I'm responding to this bullshit. You've proven yourself to be the exact opposite of a Hip Hop Head. You're embarassing yourself. Stop it.

vmar226 starstarstarstar Mon 6/30/2008 02:29PM
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Wu Tang will survive!!! Check out the Wu Corp Army, W.A.R. Mob, Tragic Allies, the Pharaohz (Siris/Snafru), Pro Graveface & Ghost Disciple the Graveyard Poetz, Nova Kane, White Lotus and the Lotus Society/ Future Chamber/10th Chamber, Dungeon Masta and Morbid Society, Robot Tank, Azrial the Wu Tang Witch and the WarGhost, L.C.O.B., Evil Dead (BomShot and Rhetoric), De Wu Allah, etc...

HoodooVoodoo Tue 7/1/2008 11:08AM
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HoodooVoodoo

That Jenny Jen chick sure seems pissed off whenever she comments. I bet she's great in bed! ;)

HoodooVoodoo Tue 7/1/2008 11:09AM
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HoodooVoodoo

I bet she lives a real hip hop way of life too...