AT&T Cuts Anti-Bush Lyrics

AT&T Cuts Anti-Bush Lyrics From Pearl Jam Webcast


Pearl Jam
Pearl Jam's recent cybercast of Sunday's Lollapalooza concert was censored by AT&T to cut out certain lyrics that were seen as Anti-Bush. The news has caused fans of Pearl Jam and free speech to grow quite pissed off as they look for answers.

While the band was performing "Daughter," they drifted into part of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall," at which time Eddie Vedder sang, "George Bush, leave this world alone" and "George Bush, find yourself another home." Those lyrics were mysteriously missing from the broadcast.

In a statement, AT&T claims the bleeping was "a mistake by a Webcast vendor" that was "contrary to our policy. We have policies in place with respect to editing excessive profanity, but AT&T does not censor performances. We very much regret that this happened in the first place."

AT&T also says they are "working with the band to post the song in its entirety."

The AT&T censorship caused a major stir as hundreds of posts began to appear in the band's chat rooms and even generated a response from the Future of Music Coalition.

"This event shows that companies like AT&T will risk the appearance of censorship by turning off the sound on a webcast that's being viewed by thousands of people, just because it works counter to their financial interests," says FOMC head Jenny Toomey. "What do you think they will do to protect their financial interests on the web when no one is looking?"

[Published on: 8/9/07]

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soulink starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 12:07PM
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soulink

5 stars for letting people know about this weakness... no stars for censorship.

wspencer21 Thu 8/9/2007 12:10PM
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wspencer21

So did this happen while the performance happened live or during the re-broadcast? Either way ATT new what the hell they were doing and is pretty shameful if you ask me. Especially considering the audience of people who are going to be watching the performance. I caught some of the live stream and Pearl Jam is definitely still on top of their game.

singmh starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 12:11PM
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now i know i wasn't hallucinating! BAN AT&T along with BP/AMACO....

censorship in america? that friggin blows!

Detroit Funk starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 12:13PM
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Detroit Funk

Ah ha. I know lots of people that were wondering what was said. This is insanity. Welcome to the machine.

seancgard Thu 8/9/2007 12:22PM
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boo to censorship of political speech... thanks for bringing light to this story

ps- down with tyranny

HOPEFULPHAN starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 12:38PM
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RothburyWithCheese starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 12:39PM
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RothburyWithCheese

Sweet! It's sorta like what JamBase did to the Vegoose message board.

pat5507 Thu 8/9/2007 01:02PM
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jvhalley Thu 8/9/2007 01:08PM
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You got that right, MotherMcCree.

This is exactly what Jambase did with the Vegoose message board. Deepsixed it and thought we wouldn't notice. Hey Jambase, WE NOTICED. You deleted the Vegoose message board because an overwhelming majority (hundreds of people) ripped on the weak lineup.

Jambase didn't like all the negative comments (easily the most negative feedback ever posted about an initial festival lineup), probably got a note from Pooperfly offering them money to take the board down to avoid bad spin while they scramble around trying to figure out how they fucked up. Censorship, plain and simple. WEAK SAUCE.

And maybe I've got it all wrong, but you haven't responded, Jambase. What you got???

All Loving Liberal White Guy Thu 8/9/2007 01:11PM
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terrapins starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 01:11PM
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pat5507 This isn't about Pearl Jam or what words they said. It's about free speech and how Corporate America has become too intertwined with our government.

Derekmk Thu 8/9/2007 01:14PM
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Kind of like what's going on with the global warming "debate"..where they censor those that speak out against it. WAKE UP. There is no consensus. I'm as green as it gets, but having people in fear about the environment lets politicians with political interests (money) pass any legislation they want. They could care less about the environment, otherwise they would have taken more preventative measures.

Kayceman Thu 8/9/2007 01:20PM
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Kayceman

In response to the Vegoose comments being turned off: The reason JamBase turned off the comment board had nothing to do with negative comments; there are negative comments on almost every article we publish. We turned Vegoose off and instilled our new "JamBase Community Guidelines" because the Vegoose board went against so much of what we stand for. The Vegoose comment board turned into a back-and-forth between specific users with "personal attacks," "excessive profanity" and "otherwise offensive remarks." We work incredibly hard to bring you pertinent news and articles from all areas of music and we reserve the right to have JamBase remain an open place for dialogue where people are not insulted by other users. We hope to build community here and not tear one another down. I hope that makes sense, and I really hope y'all can see where we come from.

Rinosquad starstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 01:26PM
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There are many broadcasts recently where former employees from AT&T have come out to talk about how the NAS set up a confidential and private governmental office w/i AT&T which was cosidered classified. This office took an originally ill-based and scare-based program called the Patriot Act and acted on this in a way to deprive the citizens of the US of their Constitutional freedoms of privacy and freedoms that this country is based on. It came to light some of the acts that were occurring during that NAS occupation our citizens were spied on with full knowledge by our top leaders in order to combat terrrorism after 9/11. However private things such as all the hotel records and video surveillance in Las Vegas were handed over to the gov't and also internet browsing from search engines were illegally subpeoned and checked. This is small potatoes to all the misappropriations that occurred but you get the idea. What I am getting at is that AT&T is like Bush's personal watchdog and for being this political impropriety they in turn get their balls licked by gov't funding. Didn't anyone find it strange that AT&T in the past couple years especially has grown to expand to every digital media outlet faster than any other. They are everywhere and constantly are coming out with ideas that parrallel the Bush administration. This Pearl Jam shit is just another "whoops I didn't know we did that" and hope everyone will forget soon. Its complete BS and I am not a political person but this just rubbed me the wrong way and has been.
Check out this article more AT&T BS.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070613-att-willing-to-spy-for-nsa-mpaa-and-riaa.html?bub

cuttyfives Thu 8/9/2007 01:26PM
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Bush if getting ready to "delcare martial law!!" as Thade from Planet of the Apes would say...another terrorist attack and Bush pushes back the elections and becomes a dictator. "Extremism in defense of apes is no vice." General Thade

j-bizzle Thu 8/9/2007 01:36PM
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j-bizzle

Kayce - it really sucks how you have to defend jambase on freedom of speach, when most negative comments are not even about music. I completely understand why jambase feels neccessary to censor some message boards - because personal attacks take away from the rest of the users' experience to comment on THE MUSIC . i am all about freedom of speach - but when this site is used as a platform to bitch about shit that is irrelevant to an article, it is not being used as intended. keep up the good work of keeing us real fans of music in the loop.

vwphan starstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 01:43PM
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jvhalley Thu 8/9/2007 01:46PM
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Touche, Kayce. Thanks for the response. I know you guys have to wade through douche-bags everyday, and I'm sure its not easy to manage. But I still think its fishy that the only message board to have dissappeared in recent memory is one for a Pooperfly production (you're not going to deny that you folks are fuck buddies, are ya?), but its good to hear your side. Thanks for jumping in.

Captain Sammy starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 01:47PM
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Captain Sammy

I compare JamBase policing their message boards to the poor janitor at a High School who has to scrub graffiti from the bathroom stalls. Intelligent, relevent content wouldn't be censored on JamBase. Unfortunatley people want to talk shit, see their unfunny remarks posted, and basically hijack the comment sections from the rest of us who want to talk about MUSIC.

delaneyira starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 01:49PM
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Jambase, dont act like removing that message board didnt have anything to do with the advertisement dollar. Yes people were being rude and inappropriate but i dont believe for one second that it was all about profanity. Thats just a god damn cop out. And in regards to corps and govt becoming intertwined, Corporations are in charge of our country, culture and minds.

tourmaniac Thu 8/9/2007 01:51PM
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tourmaniac

A lot of music was political and even jazz was considered subversive by the FBI when it first caught on. I think you just want Franti and Vedder to stop expressing their views because you don't agree with them. Where's the respect in that?

treetops78 star Thu 8/9/2007 02:00PM
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treetops78

Not my mind delanyira! Maybe yours.

As far as the Vegoose situation: why not just delete the bad apples from the topic? I know that IMDB will delete posts if they are not according to the rules and regs so why not here? Can Jambase do the same?

d333rock starstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 02:00PM
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theragman starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 02:18PM
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i still am pissed off that i had to work during this webcast so i missed it and would have otherwise not known. PJ is my all time favorite band and i love what they have become and its great that somebody is breaking stories like this.

5 stars for Jambase and Pearl Jam
0 stars for AT&T and the man

phalluscooper Thu 8/9/2007 02:18PM
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phalluscooper

Bewildering considering that historically AT&T has made millions from the porn industry via distribution of The Hot Network.

Money $hots = OK
Free Speech = Bad?

All Loving Liberal White Guy Thu 8/9/2007 02:51PM
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cuttyfives Thu 8/9/2007 03:05PM
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This is Mr. Venezuela, school janitor, M'Kay. He's the person who has to clean up when some trickster drops a dook in the wrong toilet. Mr. Venezuela makes six bucks an hour at best, M'kay. He's got three kids at home, he's got a car that barely works, he's gotta clean up puke with saw dust, M'Kay. Then he walks into the boys' room and sees a big meaty chud staring him in the face. So when you crapped in that urinal, M'Kay, you might has well have just dropped your pants and laid a turd right on Mr. Venezuela's head- ah man, so true...I used to clean toliets at the local pool as well floaters in the pool, it was not sweet at all.

acomma Thu 8/9/2007 03:14PM
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dfreshvt Thu 8/9/2007 03:16PM
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jbizzle,

Its Speech, not speach

Derekmk Thu 8/9/2007 03:48PM
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I find it scary that i'm getting thumbs down for my global warming comment. The brainwashing that is going on with man-made global warming is the same type of propaganda tactics that were used to start the illegal wars going on. LISTEN, i support cleaning up the earth in every way possible. It's amazing that people are licking politicians boots.

David Mayer de Rothchild, who is in one of the richest elite families who literally own the world said it best.."there's lots of money to be made in global warming." That's what politicans do. Take money. Do i really need to argue this? Do i really need to tell people that politicians are bad? A carbon tax is not the answer. I want real solutions. For instance, overseas you can buy cars that get 150+ mpg. 150 mpg!!!!! Do you think you'll ever see that here in America?

Don't you find it interesting that Gore, who has vested interests in companies that will profit IMMENSELY off of global warming, is pushing this issue? Wake up!

This is off-topic..kind of. I'm sorry :)

breadloaf starstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 03:55PM
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Kayce, you make your point well. Ironically, you're still in my doghouse for simply allowing free speech- namely, not calling Stewart Copeland on his outlandish statements as purely schtick! I'll get over it.

More to the point, it's not just corporate America who has given this administration a free pass since 9/11. On some level, I think we've let ourselves down as a country- just my own personal opinion.

cuttyfives Thu 8/9/2007 04:09PM
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We got bigger problems then global warming IMO...On tuesday a police officer shot and killed an unarmed youth in the back in Chi, the town almost rioted against the police, dogs were called in to contain the crowds...http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-copshoot09aug09,1,7944914.story...Our national infrastructure is crumbling ie...Minn. bridge, our civil rights are being shit on...http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/06/washington/06nsa.html?ei=5065&en=4e05f95a4b60ac78&ex=1187064000&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
Pakistan is about to go to shit http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSISL16312820070809
locally, nationally and globally there is to much going on to give a shit about global warming...Do what you can, help local bums get there pints and believe half of what you see and nothing that your hear. And if people are like, hey, Cutty, D Bag, what makes you so damn self righteous, i say im not...Im just tired of this globally warming ish...I took a few classes (by no means making me an expert) in college about the issue, both my professor were PHDs, core liberals, and they still denied that global warming was occuring. i trust the experts not internet/media "experts"

ekoostik-nation starstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 04:12PM
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ekoostik-nation

Is anyone really suprised about this article? First of all, I could really care less what Vedder or Pearl Jam has to say about their political views (and neither should you). When bands like this talk about politics or religion, they just want attention and for people to say "Yeah man, F--- Bush!." I've always been a fan of Pearl Jam, and will continue to support them inspite of this. As far as AT&T is concerned, they're a corporate sponsor (keyword "corporate"), so of course they are going to protect their image and moral image (however you define the meaning of "corparate morals" is up to you). When you have as large and publicised event like Lallapalooza, there is alot of people watching; both corporate figures and the everyday person. AT&T, in th end will benefit far greater from censoring the comment, then letting it be heard and thats obviously why they censored it. If you were at a festival that was held on a smaller scale, even with Pearl Jam saying comments like the one said on Sunday, it wouldn't have been censored. In the end it shouldn't make a difference. I didn't goto Lollapalooza this year seeing as last year, when I attended, was dissapointing. I had fun, but the overall atmosphere was a little hostile for my tastes and wouldn't really classify it as a festival.

Either way, events like the one that happened Sunday doesn't make me hate AT&T or Lollapalooza. They just clarify my view and opinion about the two and show me that I won't support either in the future (whether it's another festival, etc.).

cuttyfives Thu 8/9/2007 04:13PM
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before it is pointed out, my professors used scientifc evidence, charts, historical data, ect... to prove there claims, i didnt just take at it face value...and there was many a day when as a class we debated the issue on both sides, using facts and such...

Derekmk Thu 8/9/2007 04:20PM
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Oh i completely agree with you. America is becoming a fascist state (actually it already is in many cases, we have to stop it from getting out of control). I was just pointing out that when people speak out against global warming they get censored by the media.

I also took classes before warming became a mainstream issue and i was taught specifically, that there is no solid evidence to prove that we're causing the warming. This viewpoint is censored whenever it comes up.

acomma Thu 8/9/2007 04:29PM
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Derekmk Thu 8/9/2007 05:08PM
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ekoostik-nation - you missed the point. ATT&T themselves is contradicting your argument..regardless if they're trying to cover their butts. re-read the article. or go here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/090807Censor.htm

"..She declined to name the agency in charge of the Web site content or elaborate on why an editor would cut out references to George Bush beyond saying, "We think it was just a little overzealous. It's not our policy to edit political commentary."

data starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 05:13PM
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Gotta give it up to at and t for broadcasting these concerts. But free country my ass

dj_william Thu 8/9/2007 05:28PM
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Well the thing is

censorship like this is terrible

but don't blame it on bush

hes not running the show

hes takin orders on a cell phone


listen to immortal technique

pcoker starstar Thu 8/9/2007 05:54PM
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pcoker

Good, I'm sick and tired of every time I listen to music some highschool dropout with a mic tries to slam his "I Hate Bush" crap in my face! Music is my escape from everyday BS. I'm not going to tell you to vote, so don't think you should tell me.

suqy718 Thu 8/9/2007 05:59PM
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Did anyone else notice that AT&T did this same thing during the Bonnaroo webcast? A lot of the Nightwatchman's banter in between songs was muted.

stoops Thu 8/9/2007 06:08PM
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stoops

oh no, it must be a conspiracy. maybe it will start another "illegal" war. god forbid we don't get to hear eddie velveta-cheddar's political views, again!
how about the oh-so-self righteous pearl jam let their fans record their shows to encourage more people to hear them? that's such a foreign concept, right? it is for a band who wants to get paid for tickets and bootlegs of every show. the truth is pearl jam and their fans need the "anti-bush comments to be heard to differentiate this show from others cause this crap is the only improv they're capable of.
if you have time to bitch about this then the government, the administration, nor censorship is your problem.

jalew starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 06:12PM
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jalew

This is in response to "GarlicPepsi"'s original rant and in defense of Head Count.


Head Count is not affiliated with any political party or specific ideals. Head Count serves to register people to vote, not to preach to them. Non-partisan is non-partisan and all the Head Count VOLUNTEERS respect that. The reason they've taken this route is because there are PLENTY of organizations sharing their specific views with us.


Head Count registered TENS OF THOUSANDS of young people. A lot of them had never registered or voted before. Most of them share our views. Are you saying this is a bad thing?


If you honestly think more righteous opinions and liberal rants being forced upon people AT LIVE SHOWS will get the point across, then maybe you should start a group to do so.


Also, Head Count is an ALL VOLUNTEER organization and I appreciate the fact all those kids spent part of their show(s) trying to make a POSITIVE difference.

Too bad not everyone is mature enough to understand!

BGsteveBG starstarstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 06:17PM
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BGsteveBG

bush SHOULD leave this world alone.

ActualFactual starstarstarstar Thu 8/9/2007 07:17PM
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A giant corporation making a stupid and selfish decision for financial reasons? Who could have seen this coming?

Derekmk Thu 8/9/2007 07:25PM
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stoops - this isn't a personal attack, but the statement "oh who cares it's just a little *fill in the blank* " is the conditioning americans have been fed. complacency breeds even more complacency. they chip away at rights/free speech/everything else that makes us american till we're left with nothing. compare the 70's to the 00's and we live in a completely different nation. what do you think another 30 years will bring? at political events we have to protest in "free speech zones" far away from the event..can you imagine???? meanwhile on tv they show a cheering supportive crowd.

if shit like this continues, and we let the little things go, do you honestly think america will be a free nation?


fight for what makes us american or we don't deserve any of it.

Ula Fri 8/10/2007 12:11AM
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Ula

Keep in mind that AT&T is not the government... and Pearl Jam are far from political scientists. Your silent product boycott will yield more results than making public conspiracy claims and bashing fellow JamBase community members.

hiddentreasure Fri 8/10/2007 01:24AM
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Our jam scene was based upon an idealistic ideal put forth in the '60s, including personal freedom, the civil rights movement, and a strong aversion to war, with an emphasis on art and music. Public opinion mattered and could change the world. It's strange to think of what our "kind" scene has become, a place of unreasoning, conservative censorship.

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^› {¬¿¬} starstarstarstarstar Fri 8/10/2007 03:27AM
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‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›      {¬¿¬}

Out of sight, out of mind.

sweep everything under the rug, look the other way,

ignorance is bliss.

RothburyWithCheese starstarstarstarstar Fri 8/10/2007 06:11AM
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Rinosquad Fri 8/10/2007 07:03AM
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I meant NSA not NAS hip hop is dead

philhitz Fri 8/10/2007 07:53AM
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while this news may seem quite outrageous - scratch your head for a minute & think, what did you really expect'? -- vedder's anti-bush rants are not only stale but they are becoming comical - has it accomplished anything - hasn't bush gotten just about everything he has wanted? - i too am very anti-bush & co - very anti-texas politician for that matter (see who's gotten us involved in the last 3 wars - all presidents from texas!) -- it's fruitless to rant about a self-proclaimed king that is nearing his end, especially when half of your paying audience are the frat-boy sons & sorority-sis daughters of the bush corporate machine -- if vedder had a real brain in his head, he'd be on the attack of fred thompson - because if this guy wins in '08, by 2010 anyone who makes less than $125,000 a year will be 'chipped' & barcoded so they can be surveiled at all times -- but i guess anyone who is still performing at loserpalloza is too far behind the times to think progressively enough to get the word out about this dangerous character -- & kayce vegoose got lambasted here because it rightly should have - that lineup is the worst ever -- a big p-s to all - remember to remind the 'jesus freaks' that jesus was & still is the 'original hippie' & that 'hate' was not a word in his dictionary (although he might dislike this year's vegoose lineup very much) :)

keep the 'jam' in jambase!!!!!!

stoops Fri 8/10/2007 08:56AM
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philhitz Fri 8/10/2007 09:07AM
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hey at least i didn't confuse the NSA w/ Nas! :)

vwphan Fri 8/10/2007 10:18AM
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Oh yeah, since the Vegoose thread is gone, I forgot to add THAT LINEUP SUUUUUUUUUCKS!!! Wow, going from last year's stellar lineup to this garbage? Yikes. It's all about the dolla's folks.

EVILFUNK star Fri 8/10/2007 10:32AM
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EVILFUNK

Pearl Jam, Perry Farrel and the whole lollapalooza '07 posee are pretty hip for mainstream but as long as they continue to do buisiness with the devil (AT&T) they will experience this kind of shit. why does Perry deal with theese KIND OF SCUM ANYWAY? know what i mean, people? ..is this the impression we have of Perry and PJ? "oooh, we are havin a party ~ SOMEONE CALL AT&T ~ it aint a party till they are here"...c'mon, people! WHO WE TRYIN TO SELL HERE?

I would have challenge jambase for making news out of this story after pulling the Vegoose comment board down. for those just tuning in ~ jambase did a story about the initial vegoose lineup and i have never seen more thoughtfull, thourough and honest posts by so many people here on jambase as there were on the thread. NOBODY LIKED THE LINEUP ~ EVERYBODY SAID SO IN THE POSTS. ac/superfly spend alot of money on advertising here on jambase. jambase censored our opinions ~ they took the comment board down. they declined to comment when we, as readers and supporters, repeatedly asked for an explanation. they wanted to wait and see if we would forget...a clacssic pr manipulation; they bent over for a sponsor by censoeing us and played our attention spans like politicians do.

WORD TO THE OVEREDUCATED >>

YOU KIDS AT JAMBASE ALL RECIVED SOLID MIDDLE CLASS LIBERAL EDUCATIONS. YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THEY CENSORSHIP IS VERRY VERRY BAD. EVEN IF MOST PEOPLE DONT NOTICE OR CARE. >>>SO THERE YOU KIDS ARE IN COLLEGE WHILE WERE OUT IN SOME PARKINGLOT SOMEWHERE STARING AT THE BUMPER OF A VW BUS >> THE BUMPERSAYS " BE THE CHANGE"

AT&T ? aint they IN BED with boneroo? aint theese
YOUR PEOPLE you are busting wIth this story, jambase? the only thing growing around here is that big fat parking spot you kids reserved THE MAN for rear entry into your "office" AND WE ALL KNOW IT!

GO AHEAD ~ TAKE MY SCREEN NAME FROM ME...THAT ONLY PROVES ME RIGHT IN SAYING THAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OR RESPECT THE FIRST AMENDMANT!

blower starstarstarstarstar Fri 8/10/2007 10:54AM
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Total BS to censor an artist, absolutely lame. However, its not really a free speech issue because the government did not stop or arrest Vedder for saying what he did. Yes I know that At&t and others are in bed with politicians so in essence is sort of govt sensorship, however the internet is not considered a public trust like the radio. So it is in essence a private broadcast and they really can do what they want even if it is lame.

Jambase has the same legal right even if you disagree with it ethically. Censoring a musician is completely different than censoring every chump that posts on this website. Even though the comment board is entertaining, I primarily come here to read show reviews and gain info on live music. Jambase provides a great service to me for FREE and someone has to pay for their bottom line. If that is Superfly so be it. If advertisers choose not pay Jambase due to the negative comments the service would not exist or I would have to pay for it. In the end I would rather have Jambase continue to do what they do than give everyone the unrestricted priveledge to complain whenever they feel like it.

Most of you purists are hypocrits too. Jambase and the musicians work for a pay check as do you. Many of you go to work for a boss you don't like, shop at Walmart, use At&t or whaterver. Think about what you get from this web site. That said, fuck the man!!

lovemusicfood star Sat 8/11/2007 10:09AM
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This is bad news. Their response is similar to what the Bush administration itself says.."Oh it was a mistake by some lower level person.. woops!". This is why I will not be buying an Iphone until there is another provider than AT&T. They are the company that willingly gave out people's phone records to the government, so they could spy on people.

Rinosquad Sat 8/11/2007 02:46PM
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Philhitz I corrected my typo way before your post. Add something instead of criticizing a typo two hours later.

Rinosquad Sat 8/11/2007 03:01PM
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Stoops read the article link w/i the article I posted. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060412-6585.html.

It explains in more detail about what I just brushed on. I'm not an "amateur conspiracy theorist" whatever the fuck that means. Just trying to add some citations for the article on jambase here. I think you may have too much time on your hands to respond negatively to everybody's posts you disagree with. Like I said not very political, don't think Big Brother is always watching me, but its an interesting topic that will only snowball from here. Only consistency I see is that you need a day job.

theragman Sat 8/11/2007 05:29PM
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AT&T < Pearl Jam


censor that.

zzdowz Sat 8/11/2007 05:38PM
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zzdowz

Much love to Eddie Vedder. This is America and free speech is a right. One may not have to agree with his opinions but let the man talk. At least he's not shy about calling out Bush.

philhitz Sun 8/12/2007 08:22AM
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rhino

was making a comment as a joke to how stoops was way off base - this was no a personal attack on you - just the absurdity of his response - hopefully you weren't feeling my vile - because it was in no way directed at you - sorry if i ruffled your feathers

All Loving Liberal White Guy Sun 8/12/2007 02:54PM
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LET ME CLAIRIFY MY Stance on HeadCount,

I wasn't asking them to take a side on politics. However, telling people to vote JUST BECASUE THEY CAN really isn't effective. That's like telling people to buy white peaches at your local grocery store just becasue they are in season.

You know there had to be some people that never got around to putting their glass pipes on that first Tuesday in November in 2004 and toally spaced out and forgot to vote on voting day.

But seriously folks, what HeadCount should be doing is telling young people and concert fans (the deomgraphic that they reach out to) about the issues that affect them such as college tuitions, free speech, the FCC, taxes, gas prices, inflation, taxes, and other issues that affect young people in society. Again, they shouldn't endorse any candidate or political ideology but instead should encourage young people to take stock of what issues matter the most to them and then find out where each candidate/political party, etc. stand on them in order so that they can vote based on the issues that matter and pertain to them the most. And that doesn't just apply to voting for the President but they should also be encouraged to see where their local Congressman, state seantors, senator Senators, sherrifs, procecuters, etc stand on the issues that matter to them. THAT is what should make people wanna vote instead of somebody saying "Wanna register to vote maaaan?".

As for you PERRY FERRELL, you sure were vocal in 2004 when praising the MoveOn.org people and rallying against Bush's America in the lead up to the last presidental election. But you still have yet to make a statement on AT&T's blantant censorship. Whatsa matter? Afraid that you're not gonna be able to rake in those boatloads of at next years Lolla. I'll bet you're pals in Theivery Corperation aren't too pleased with this. Sellout....




Rinosquad Sun 8/12/2007 03:33PM
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Phil-

Many apologies. Didn't see the :) at the end and misinterpreted. Was just contemplating on how confused stopps is and saw that to. My bad. Long live the consistencies. ;)

Rinosquad Sun 8/12/2007 03:36PM
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PS> The Vegoose lineup is pretty bad except for STS9 and a select few others. I heard a rumor from Stoops that he is going because ICP is headlining. I hear things.

BGsteveBG Sun 8/12/2007 04:19PM
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stoops,
you think i only started thinking that "bush should leave the world alone" AFTER i heard Eddie Vedder say it?
Oh yea, nice picture of the squirrel with guns in both its hands, you really must be a big bush supporter.

HoodooVoodoo Sun 8/12/2007 05:33PM
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Stoops...Amazing that you spent so much time on your post and typed so many words but really didn't say anything meaningful. You basically ripped on the valid opinions of a bunch of people on jambase, but didn't really put forth an educated opinion about anything. All that I could gather is that you have a large ego and think that you know better than everyone else on here. My guess is that you probably don't have much of a clue about anything. It's always easier to rip on topics that you really know nothing about. Are you a RAQ fan by chance?

poppasmurf Sun 8/12/2007 07:31PM
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Change the world around you, and your perspective of the world will change. Allow others to affect you, and you cannot affect the world positively. Be kind to those around you and the world will be kind to you.

Stop feeding into the bullshit of others. Its times like these's when it is very easy to get wrapped up in the hypocracies of the world we live in. Anger and ressentment do not solve problems, come to people with love and love will rush into you. What you dislike in others, is that you dislike in yourself. Do not look outside yourself for the answer, the answers come from within. Peace Sean

Suave starstarstarstarstar Sun 8/12/2007 09:39PM
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Suave

Kill the terrorists
secure the borders
punch the hippies
thompson 08

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STOOPS. >>>> "milesgone speaks in cliches to address the opression"

It is the truth! My statement is true, sorry you see it as a cliche.

out of sight out of mind. sweep it under the rug, look the other way, ignorance is bliss.

APATHY IS THE GREATEST SINGLE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. a pulitzer prize winning author written about in TIME magazine made this statement. and its also true.

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if we did not harbor so much apathy towards others and world problems, the world would be a better place!!

its time to give a rats azz you know??

cocheese Mon 8/13/2007 06:34AM
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who cares what Vedder thinks of Bush or any other political matter. i bet Bush doesn't give a damn. ya'll make me laugh getting all fired up over a censored comment from some crazy ass rock star.

kirkbrew starstarstar Mon 8/13/2007 07:56AM
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In the words of Homer Simpson, “Rock stars – is there anything they don’t know?” Or was it actors? Either way, don’t care what they have to say. Sort of lost respect for PJ when they folded to Ticketmaster.

JamBase closed the Vegoose comments because people out there were ass bags dissing each other. I don’t blame them. This is a venue to discuss music and not to call each other names or make stupid comments. That is a horse of a different color from AT&T.
If some of you people would add substance to you posts (ie more than “This sucks, Superfly suck. Daft Punk sucks”), then it may still be up. Instead, you posted stupid, hate filled comments that were without merit.
Finally – If you pulled your heads out of your anger filled rectums, you may have noticed that JamBase added the community guidelines to each post so that some of you would think twice before you make ignorant comments. Not sure if this will help since some folk don’t seem to think once, let alone twice.

Smittea star Mon 8/13/2007 08:30AM
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Censorship sucks, but I'm not paying to hear Pearls Jams political opinions, or any celebrity for that matter. I am definitely not a fan of our current administration, but I don't need to hear that from an unqualified great political thinker of our time. I turn on Meet the Press and Face the Nation for a reason. I go to concerts for completely different reasons. Lets not kill the buzz, shall we?

stoops Mon 8/13/2007 08:51AM
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Rinosquad
i read your article and again i commend you on at least attempting to support your views. an "amature conspiracy theorist" since you asked, would be one who believes in conspiracies but has no substantiated reason for doing so. kinda like what you and many others on this board do. also i didn't "respond negatively to everybody's posts you disagree with"; i just recognized a pattern that you are a part of. in fact i tend to agree with what some of those i noted said. "Only consistency I see is that you need a day job. " well i better go and get one then huh? if that's the only consistency you see then you should know that "ignore is the root word in "IGNORance"!
BGsteveBG,
in response, probably but i don't know and don't really care much. ? for you though, what does an animated squirrell with guns have to do with a political position?
HoodooVoodoo,
it wasn't all that time consuming; just a lil' cut and paste job with some commentary. i didn't rip on anyones "valid opinion". i suggested if an opinion is valid, it should be supportable. my point was so obvious that you couldn't have missed it, but pretending not to see something doesn't mean your as stupid as you would have us believe. in terms of ignorance, i don't know what "RAQ" is.
milesgone,
your comments are cliche. i still see truth in much of them but cliche none the less. with respect to apathy, i don't agree. if you are trying to suggest that me being less apathetic toward some of these ultra paranoid commentors would make the world better, then i've got a dying tree in my yard that needs hugging! the cliche's can be appropriate and even insightful but your own words might suggest that you have a personality!

kirkbrew starstarstar Mon 8/13/2007 09:19AM
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kirkbrew

These are totally off subject, but I get pissed when I see people propagate misinformation.

Cuttyfives – No idea what classes you took or when. The fact that you had to be fed the information with charts and graphs makes me think that it wasn’t a real science class, so who knows what info you got. A PhD in Poly Sci doesn’t know jack about atmospheric science. I have friends who are PhD’s in EE and Physics, I don’t go to them when I get sick.

Derekmk – How comes the likes of AEI, PRI and other neo-con think tanks can not come up with any peer reviewed scientific data that comes anywhere near calling into question the IPCC report? If this is the best they got, it ain’t much:
http://liberty.pacificresearch.org/press/id.2987/press_detail.asp
You are going to listen to a Rothchild? (you must have a poster of Mike Crichton on your wall too)
What production car gets 150+ mpg (I would like to add MPG does not equate with emissions)?
Your comment about the Gore portfolio is totally wrong. Gore’s portfolio is not public (and doesn’t need to be) and what is known is shown here.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/117/features-gore-an-inconvenient-portfolio.html

Not hatin’ here, just want clarification.

BGsteveBG Mon 8/13/2007 10:29AM
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stoops-
just because you fancy yourself a good talker doesn't make you a good thinker.
Why does everybody have to validate their opinion through you? What sort of validity or support do i need to say that i think bush should leave the world alone? Possibly the fact that he invaded a nation that he admitted has absolutly nothing to do with the terrorist attack that he USED to invade (not saying he caused it, but he did USE it). Or possibly since his entire presidential career has been centered around war? He, by his own admission, is a 'war president'. So, am i allowed to say that bush should leave the world alone? I hope i get your permission..but since you don't care about my, or anybody else but your own opinion, i dont really care about yours. and i hope i wasn't too 'cliche' for you.

Putnameter Mon 8/13/2007 12:11PM
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fuck AT&T let Pearl Jam do their thing. Bush is a horrible person, let them rip on him. He just lost his brain-aka Karl Rove. Maybe he will think for himself or maybe not at all. oh and yea fuck some censorship.

cuttyfives Mon 8/13/2007 02:08PM
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Kirkbrew, FYI...you did ask...
My professors degrees
Purdue University (Ph.D. Atmospheric Science): Graduated August 1995
Purdue University (M.S. Atmospheric Science): Graduated May 1991
not a poli sci major bro...He also went to your Alma Mater...if you graduated...i got a lot of friends who were engineers from Purdue...being from the Chi like yourself...funny...small world huh?
you can check his resume if you feel so inclined...
http://web.missouri.edu/~lupoa/tonressh.html
you got served!

Rinosquad Mon 8/13/2007 04:35PM
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In the words of Homer adding onto Kirkbrew's comment, Stoops, "Your ideas intrigue me, I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter." Stoops I've got no animosity towards ya, being that I know you through a jambase post about Eddie Veddar, but I do challenge you to a duel, (white glove slapping you in face). I'll meet you behind the swingset at recess. Hey yer probably a good old soul I just find it entertaining to make a post once in a while to read all the lashbacks on this thing (and I imagine you do to,) it gives me a reason to procastinate studying for finals. I'll be moving to the moon soon anyways where there are no rules or regulations and I'll change my name to Snake and live on a lawless moon like the Kurt Russell Escape from NY, LA movies. PS> Cuttfives "You got served" comment was worth all the reading on this thing, fuckin hilarious. PPS> You got served. PPPS> Stoops that was a pretty interesting article though, wouldn't you say?

bbqribs starstarstarstarstar Mon 8/13/2007 08:34PM
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bbqribs

You'll vote next time HIPPIE!!

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stoops, I did not suggest YOU personally are apathetic, and I mean't not towards opinions here. In fact I directed none of my statement at you. I am not sure why you cared enough about my statement to even respond?
I mean in general, across the globe, people are apathetic,
probably because ignorance is so rampant.
your smug attitude is such a delight!!
Love your statement bgstevebg =)

stoops Tue 8/14/2007 10:20AM
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BGsteveBG,
apologies if my reasoning doesn't please you as much as my words do.
**disclaimer**: noone posting to jambase should be seeking approval or validity for said posts through the egomaniac stoops represented by the picture of conker the squirrel!**
happy?

in terms of your own validation, you may want to keep trying:
1)"Possibly the fact that he invaded a nation that he admitted has absolutly nothing to do with the terrorist attack that he USED to invade (not saying he caused it, but he did USE it)."
his administration still claims links between the former ruling regime and the organization responsable for 9/11; i guess that means your "fact" isn't so factual!
2)"Or possibly since his entire presidential career has been centered around war?"
i assume that your exagerating. like them or not, this administration has changed the country in all sorts of ways that have nothing to do with the occupation of iraq.
3)"He, by his own admission, is a 'war president'."
should bill clinton have left the world alone? how about lincoln? they were war time presidents as well.

"So, am i allowed to say that bush should leave the world alone?"
see the disclaimer above!
i cared about yours and everyone elses opinion enough to respond about/to them. the only thing you were a little cliche about was your ultra-liberal, unsupported political views.

Rhinosquad,
i'm impressed. i harbor no ill will your way either nor anyone else's on this board! you've got me pegged well and i did enjoy your article.

milesgone,
apologies if i was being smug; it was unintentional! just trying to make a point or 2.

BGsteveBG Tue 8/14/2007 10:44AM
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.. so a 'factual fact' to you is a statement made by bush's administration laying the blame somewhere else? what about the validity of THEIR statements? and the only unsupported statement made on this board was you calling me 'ultra-liberal' just because i dont support bush

stoops Tue 8/14/2007 10:52AM
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to me a "'factual fact'" is something that's true, not something one believes to be true and calls it a fact. as far as "the validity of their statements" are concerned, i will answer any question you may have. me calling you ultra liberal is supported up and down this board by your own incorrect unsupported ultra liberal opinions (even though you try to call them facts). frankly, i don't tend to support bush either.

BGsteveBG Tue 8/14/2007 02:02PM
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BGsteveBG

..so because the bush administration says its true, that means it is?

stoops Tue 8/14/2007 02:30PM
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stoops

i said nothing of the sort. i said you were mistaken in claiming that it was a fact that iraq is a "nation that he admitted has absolutly nothing to do with the terrorist attack that he USED to invade".i also asserted that it was a fact that the bush administration specifically claims the opposite!

kirkbrew Tue 8/14/2007 02:49PM
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Cuttyfives – Purdue. Familiar with it. 5 years there and an engineering degree. The place is a little right of Mussolini. Dr. Lupo has impressive credentials. You forgot his Fulbright Scholarship.
You also failed to mention his contributions to George C. Marshall Institute (a 501(c)(3) funded by Exxon, American Standard and the John M. Olin Foundation) and his work for The Heartland Institute (also funded by Exxon, Phillip Morris and ties to automotive). These groups use his studies into blocking (stationary jet stream ridges) and their impact on drought in the Midwest to try to rationalize short term, regional weather pattern changes. See – there are idiots out there who say, “It has been hot out. That’s Global Warming” (recent Jam Base article on the Pitchfork Festival is a good example). To this, Dr. Lupo is largely correct; however he admittedly has stopped his research at the phenomenon of blocking and does not seem to relate it to a wider global picture. (I stress "seem" – I don’t have all day to pick apart this guys work). In his presentation to the Marshall Institute, he admits that this has a lot to do with models and they ways that the models are set up. Totally agree with that point.
You also left out what seems to be overt political ties. His website describes the Heritage Foundation as “a great American organization” (and I may add is a huge proponent of that rock solid science of Intelligent Design) and has links to Rush Limbaugh, RNC, NRA and re-elect Bush campaign. Possibly his science colored by partisanship? Hard to tell what is more important to a guy like this. Finding the truth or perpetuating a political agenda. Not saying one way or the other. Just questioning the source and his intent.
A highly educated atmospheric scientist? Yes. A political animal with an agenda. Without any doubt.
I am not saying this guy is off base for his possible belief that there are “issues” with global warming science or a correlation to human industrialization. I’ll take it all seriously when it is published in a peer reviewed journal and not a right wing organization funded by oil and tobacco companies. If you want to call that “censorship”, knock yourself out. I call it “knowing your source”.
Next time, try an overhand serve. I usually return those with a little more pace :)

kirkbrew Tue 8/14/2007 04:06PM
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I think I said it above, but wanted to stress the point again. It isn’t like I don’t welcome debate/opposing views on global warming. I recently ripped the article on the Pitchfork festival that tried to make a stupid point about global warming.

To me, following scientific method and traditional protocol is more important than what side the science takes on an issue. I have found that all opposition to the general consensus on GW and the IPCC report tends to come from sources with political agenda/ties using fudged data obtained with non-standard practices. They can also take a perfectly cromulent idea and misconstrue it to make a point. Much like the Chewbaca Defense. (I think that your boy is in that group). Not to say that there isn’t dirty pool on the other side too; but the mainstream scientific community roots all that out. It simply isn’t a left wing conspiracy of east-coast-liberal-atheist that the likes of Limbaugh go on about.

And like this has fuck-all to do about music. Anymore, it barely has anything to do with censorship.

cmaxwell Thu 8/16/2007 03:44PM
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Good job, Kayceman. Shutting down a message board you own is about as much censorship as painting over the graffiti on a bathroom stall.

torn&treyed Sun 8/19/2007 05:21PM
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whatever he shouldnt have changed the words to another brick.... maybe the dude at AT&T was a just a big floyd fan who was pissed about that hahaha

example1 Mon 8/20/2007 06:37PM
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example1

RON PAUL 2008!! remember the constitution??

mateotee Thu 8/23/2007 09:22AM
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mateotee

Bob Lahblaw