Herbie Hancock: Outside The Comfort Zone

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Practicing Buddhism has brought several revelations to me. One of them is the realization that I am not a musician. That's not what I am. It's what I do... As a result, the way I approach music now is not from the standpoint of being a musician but as a human being.

-Herbie Hancock

 

Well, I was specifically referring to some of your early solo studio work like Takin' Off or Maiden Voyage, but I suppose your work on albums like Miles In the Sky would certainly fit within the spectrum of the question.

Herbie Hancock
Well then, how do I describe my evolution? I've always had the advantage to work with people who've encouraged me to explore. Donald Byrd was the first person to hire me when I was a local musician in Chicago, and he took me to New York to work with his band. He was the one that opened a lot of doors for me, and helped me make my first album, Takin' Off. He gave me some secrets for methods that helped train me to play some quick tempos. He always encouraged me to write music, and that was kind of a first step for me.

Working with Miles was important. He told us to work outside of the comfort zone. He paid us to explore new territory and to go outside of the areas that we knew and to go into the areas we didn't know. Those kinds of lessons are what I'm trying to carry the spirit of because it's been engrained in me. I like the challenge of trying to find another vision or pathway for self-expression. Consequently, when the idea of "jazz-rock" came around, before they had the word "fusion," the first thing I heard was not Bitches Brew, but Tony Williams ' band, The Tony Williams Lifetime. That was before Miles did Bitches Brew. That was my first encounter with jazz-rock. A few years later, I did my own exploration and ironically it came out of me having a very avant-garde jazz group, which was heavily influenced by the avant-garde direction of the 1960's. My experiences with Miles Davis started off as a fresh way of approaching jazz, but it continued to expand and gravitate towards a more avant-garde direction.

Herbie Hancock by Weintrob
Right after that time I started to feel tired of not feeling a connection to the Earth. I needed a complete about-face, so I did the album Head Hunters with synthesizers. I actually had a synthesizer player in my avant-garde group, Mwandishi, towards the end of that period, and he was pretty influential in my interest in synthesizers. So I made The Headhunters group and we made the Head Hunters record, which was a record where I played a Fender Rhodes piano and synthesizers with an electric bass player instead of an acoustic bass player, but, we were still playing jazz. We may have had a funkier kind of beat but as far as the improvisation was concerned it was just as far out as the stuff I did in general. It was a no-holds-bared approach to improvisation, similar to the general approach I took to playing with Miles. Anyways, that continued but I also went back to what we called the V.S.O.P. Band, and did a concert called V.S.O.P. – The Quintet. It was a group made up of members from the Miles Davis Band, and Freddie Hubbard, who I'd worked with on several records in the '60s. And I did some more Headhunters work, and this all evolved into a whole new direction that came from the beginning of the hip-hop generation.

You're talking about your album Future Shock?

Yeah, Future Shock

One thing that struck me was that you were talking about your connection to the Earth. Music is such a spiritual thing; I'm curious how your spiritual connection to Nichiren Buddhism has effected your music.

Herbie Hancock
The wonderful thing about Buddhism is that it opens my life up. Music is really about life. It's not about this chord or that chord. If it doesn't have a connection to life then it really can't have any real value or meaning. Practicing Buddhism has brought several revelations to me. One of them - which has been extremely important to my own personal development and consequently my musical development - is the realization that I am not a musician. That's not what I am. It's what I do. What I am is a human being. Being a human being includes me being a musician. It also includes me in being a father, a husband, a neighbor, a citizen and an African-American. All of these relationships have to do with my existence on the planet. Being a musician is just a part of it. As a result, the way I approach music now is not from the standpoint of being a musician but as a human being. It's a much more fundamental foundation from which I create music. I'm so happy that I was able to come to this kind of realization because it's opened up so many doors of creativity in my life that I never dreamed would be possible. People wonder, how is it that I make every record different from every other record? This has been happening ever since 1996 when I did a record called The New Standard. Every other record since then has been completely different from everything else, and it's really due to this realization that came as a result of my practice of Buddhism.

The last thing I'd like to know is for fans of your music who may be reading this article, what would you like for them to know about the future of Herbie Hancock as a musician?

Herbie Hancock
First of all, I should tell you that I've just completed a new record that will be released in September. It's called River: The Joni Letters, and it's primarily the music of Joni Mitchell. Basically, half the record is instrumental and half has vocals, but what's new about this record is for the first time, with all of the records I've done in the past, this is the first record where the lyrics are the primary focus. It's the foundation for the record. I've never paid so much attention to lyrics before. I've hardly ever paid attention to the lyrics in my recording in the past. Most of the time they were instrumental records, and even though some of the tunes were written as songs, which had lyrics, I never really paid attention to the lyrics. I just paid attention to the harmonies. This is the first time that I really made the lyrics the core from which the music spreads, and it was a particular challenge for me as an instrumental musician. But, I really felt it was necessary for my own personal growth as an artist and for my cultural growth. As a result, again, it gave me a new viewpoint and a new approach to music, and it's really reflected on the sound of this record. I'm really happy with it.

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[Published on: 8/14/07]
 

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johnnygoff starstarstarstar Tue 8/14/2007 02:23PM
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johnnygoff

Herbie says above:

"Actually, for me, criticism is an indication that I'm doing something right. If I'm not being challenged then maybe I'm working in an area where I'm too comfortable."

so true Herbie. Thanks for the Sound Exploration all these years and thanks Jambase.com for another "out of the box" interview.
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QuantumTubaMan starstarstarstarstar Tue 8/14/2007 02:53PM
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QuantumTubaMan

Herbie Hancock is an innovator in so many different fields, from jazz to funk to techno to hip hop! Exquisite interview. Outside the jam scene without being mainstream!

NickBoeka Tue 8/14/2007 03:14PM
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NickBoeka

i....bow....down....

listen to future2future. the man is years ahead of his time.

stoops Tue 8/14/2007 03:18PM
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stoops

york, pa, here i come!

All Loving Liberal White Guy Tue 8/14/2007 03:32PM
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All Loving Liberal White Guy

Herbie owns pure crazy sauce!!!!

DJ Saturday Baxter Tue 8/14/2007 03:44PM
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DJ Saturday Baxter

Herbie is one funky freak! Gotta love THRUST...Actaul Proof, Palm Greese, Butterfly...and 4AM (out of control funk!)...so sick! Herbie on vintage rhodes is bad ass!

bryan52886 starstarstar Tue 8/14/2007 06:23PM
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Herbie brings the funk! Donald Byrd is a trumpet player not a drummer by the way...

cuttyfives Tue 8/14/2007 08:45PM
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DOnlad Byrd is the SHIT! his shit is sampled on every hiphop track....props to whoever brought him into the conversation, man is pure heat! A DRUMMER who is sampled would IDris Mohumaded... i know my spelling is off, sorry

cuttyfives Tue 8/14/2007 09:01PM
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id like to suggest getting Street Lady by Donald Byrd if you are looking to hear some of his stuff, i enjoy that album...the man has like 50 albums though, i only have about 7 or 8....

kolmah Tue 8/14/2007 09:24PM
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kolmah

Herbie! Why not throw Mike Clark back on board, the great white hype of the 70s. Herbie's the man! Just don't let Christina Auguilera show up on any more albums( learn from Santana's pop mistakes). Peace

cuttyfives Tue 8/14/2007 09:30PM
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one more thing, i dont know if he has been mentioned on Jambase, but Grant Green has done as much fine work as Herbie, just gets no respect...he plays the geetar. hancock on keys, byrd on the wind pipes, and green on guitar would be my ultimate band...

DJ Saturday Baxter Tue 8/14/2007 10:28PM
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DJ Saturday Baxter

Grant Green gets tons of respect. I have some recent live Herbie electric funk DVDs and have to say...its not that good. actauly kind of weak. he was playing fake rhodes. it sounded cheesy. in my opinion...as far as the funk goes...Herbie's past is where its at...the 70's. I saw Mike Clarks Presciption Renewal with Paul Jackson and the keys from String Cheese. I drove 8 hours to see the show. it was ok..at best. I thought that after listening to oldschool funk albums, that when i saw them live it would be the same. Well, it wasn't. I learned a leason that day. still...though..those old herbie albums from the 70's are so fuckin funky its crazy. he absolutely killed the rhodes better then anyone on the planet...and the clav. gotta luv those old school pics. check out the albums: sunlight, manchild, thrust(had to say thrust again). that there is some nasty porno makin music

milesgone starstarstarstarstar Wed 8/15/2007 03:54AM
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milesgone

what a legend!!!!!

All Loving Liberal White Guy Wed 8/15/2007 07:52AM
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All Loving Liberal White Guy

Since Sonic Youth is now doing a tour where they play Daydream Nation all the way through and Slint and GZA did similiar at P-fork fest, Herbie needs to gather his old crew and play Headhunters and/or Sextant all the way through.

QuantumTubaMan starstarstarstarstar Wed 8/15/2007 09:26AM
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QuantumTubaMan

If Herbie seems to be moving in a pop direction these days. It will be interesting to see what his next direction moves toward. I would be interested in hearing him do bluegrass, post rock, or prog metal. Also, didn't he appear on Michael Breckers final album. That sounds sweet, I'll have to check it out.

kirkbrew starstarstarstar Wed 8/15/2007 09:42AM
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kirkbrew

Johnnygoff nailed the best quote. Too bad there is that thing on his post.

Not like I am a big fan of his, but the guy is not easy to compartmentalize. I wish more people out there would be like Herbie. Instead, too many “artist” find a formula then spend years painting by numbers. Not sure if it is a comfort factor or that they just are not that talented to begin with. I tend to lean toward the latter.

As for Aguiliara..maybe he was getting’ it? Hard to say.

keithrichardsforpres starstarstarstarstar Wed 8/15/2007 12:46PM
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keithrichardsforpres

Perhaps it's that Aguilera can wail on vocals, can't say I enjoy her music, but the girl can sing...Not to harp on this too much, but I do remember reading a glowing review of her recent album from Dennis Cook on this site as well hidden in a Cook's Corner...Great interview.

keithrichardsforpres Wed 8/15/2007 12:55PM
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keithrichardsforpres

To clarify on the Cook's Corner thing, what I was implying was that perhaps there is more to her than she gets credit for if Cook is digging.

mcarroll starstarstarstarstar Wed 8/15/2007 03:48PM
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mcarroll

Gotta love Maiden Voyage, Headhunters, and Thrust. Chameleon's got the funkiest bassline of all time. As for Christina Aguilera, she does have some powerful pipes that could be put to good use, she just needs to learn to control them...talk about over-singing.

peaton Wed 8/15/2007 06:48PM
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peaton

Herbie Hancock could be the only person ever to look cool will a keytar around his neck. He's a real pioneer, but I have to disagree with mcaroll, Chameleon has a eally funky bassline, but I think Watermelon Man has an evn funkier one. Any tune with bass chords is the complete jumpoff.

DJ Saturday Baxter Wed 8/15/2007 11:21PM
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DJ Saturday Baxter

dude...the funkiest herbie bass lines....theres so many, but have to say that 4AM (with Jaco), Actual Proof, and Butterfly (during the jam section when Herbie is killing the Rhodes and the tempo increased)... 4AM is probally one of the absolute funkiest songs ever. also check out LEE RITENHOUR, a song called Captain Fingers. it has these cool hits in the head that are sick. Alfonso Johnson from The Weather Report is the bass player.

kirkbrew Thu 8/16/2007 08:07AM
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kirkbrew

Just saw this. Herbie will play the Symphony Ctr in Chicago with his quartet:
http://www.cso.org/main.taf?p=3,11,6,1&EventID=9090
Upper balcony ($20) and Gallery ($11) still available.

kolmah Thu 8/16/2007 09:58AM
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kolmah

For some cool Herbie/Jaco, listen to Jaco's self-titled debut album. The re-release features some unreleased live jams, which are just phenominal.

lovemusicfood starstar Fri 8/17/2007 12:24PM
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Herbie's music is awesome. His work as a solo artist in the 60's doin' hard bop should not be forgoten. He did fusion with Miles and The Rockit band which was a HUGE breakdance hit.
I recently was distubred when I saw a concert on I think it was PBS featuring Herbie and Wayne Shorter. They were performing at the White House with George W. Bush and Laura Bush acting like they enjoyed it in the front row. Why does Herbie or Wayne play this show? Very upsetting. They may need the money who knows. But that does not condone they were playing for is one of the worst criminals of our current age. If they need money that bad they should get another job. Herbie likes criticism does he? Let's hear him respond to that.

DJ Saturday Baxter Sat 8/18/2007 09:49AM
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DJ Saturday Baxter

lovemusicfood: did u ever consider that your view that BUSH is a crimal is full of shit? Maybe Herbie was honored to play for the president of United States...the sweetest country in the world. It would be awsome to jam for the leader of our country.

funkbeard starstarstarstarstar Sun 8/19/2007 12:13AM
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Actaully, I heard Herbie's experience on the matter. One particular musician was asked to speak at the White House on behalf of the Thelonious Monk Institute, and one after another, everybody refused. Nonetheless, Herbie took a more philosophical approach. He explained that "if you don't play the game, you have no chance of influencing a change." Therefore, he performed at the White House and spoke on behalf of the institute, discussing the educational goals of the organization, about his Buddhist practice, and the importance of creating geuine peace in the world. He stepped up to the plate, and he cannot be considered guilty of not speaking out on the matter. It's a more profound, courageous approach.

As for those who don't think much of Herbie's recent work, have you not heard 1+1 with Wayne Shorter, Gershwin's World, The new Standard, or Future to Future, or Directions in Music? They are all first rate recordings more meaningful than most anything else out there. This is music to form a relationship with; you just won't get it the first time.

Further, I agree that not everything he does is great. But he takes great risks, and when he's on, it's the most amazing music I know of. His energy is something to gawk at.

lovemusicfood star Mon 8/20/2007 11:37AM
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DJ Baxter: it would not be sweet to jam for a man that has killed hundreds of thousands in my name. It would not be sweet to jam for a man that has tourtured in my name. It would not be sweet to jam for a man that has wire tapped, taken bank records, and read e-mails of American citizens in my name. It would not be an honor to jam for a man that has taken away a right to a fair trial in my name. It would not be sweet.
Funkbeard. Herbie is one of the best musicians ever to live, but I don't think it is profound or courageous to play a minstrel show for rick white elites.

DJ Saturday Baxter Mon 8/20/2007 02:00PM
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you sound like a fring, left wing kook. I actaully prefer to have our country on the offense and be protected. do you actaully believe all that garbage you just wrote??! yea...vote for CLINTON...lol!

IandI starstarstarstar Mon 8/20/2007 07:47PM
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couple thinngs: while herbie refered to Mwandishi, no threds have so far and people on this site should pick it up. The two albums of the band are now sold as a double CD of the bands name. Must listening for jazz or jam heads. Somewhat like how's Weather Report's Mysterious Traveler is better then thier more "successful" and acclaimed album Black Market, Mwandishi has more depth and resounce then Head Hunters ( and I love HeadHunter).
Next, to lovemusicfood, you might want to remember Sachmo,Duke and possiblily Count Basie played in the Kremlin. Herbie playing in the Capital was and will always be the RIGHT thing to do. Music opens minds up, maybe you've forgotten that. And as far events done "in my name" you should read some Howard Zinn and contemplate what EVERY president has done "in your name" since Washington. I want the idiot out also but get a grip, brother. Your ID name says you KNOW, don't let THEM interfere with IT.

funkbeard starstarstarstarstar Wed 8/22/2007 09:24PM
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Keep in mind that Herbie also delivered a lecture for the President, in which he spoke about the importance of peace in very diplomatic terms. We don't have to agree with the President, we don't have to follow him in ourr hearts, but it is important to take such opportunities if such opportunities have the power to make even a small difference. Just my opinion on the matter.